Desperation and Lies

dori2o

ILW wrote: »

Many people have gone onto successful careers after telling massive lies on CVs. Depends how good you are once you get the job.
I am assuming not going for surgeon or similar.

Very true.

Iain Duncan Smith is a prime example of someone who has lied on a CV.

Unfortunately for many people in the country he's a complete and utter failure in his chosen profession.

failure

ILW wrote: »

Many people have gone onto successful careers after telling massive lies on CVs. Depends how good you are once you get the job.
I am assuming not going for surgeon or similar.

No don't worry, I'm not applying for anything like that no 'professional' jobs, just normal ones.

There's a lot of people in jobs and you wonder how they ever got the job in the first place. Postmen delivering letters to the wrong address, ones working in offices sending out letters full of mistakes, ones in shops that can't even speak to customers, and know nothing about the product they're selling.

failure

dori2o wrote: »

Very true.

Iain Duncan Smith is a prime example of someone who has lied on a CV.

Unfortunately for many people in the country he's a complete and utter failure in his chosen profession.

and probably most of his colleagues

failure

jacques_chirac wrote: »

Life is not simple, but you are making it a whole lot complicated by telling lies.

Its a mess anyway. Can't really get much worse.

jacques_chirac

failure wrote: »

No don't worry, I'm not applying for anything like that no 'professional' jobs, just normal ones.

There's a lot of people in jobs and you wonder how they ever got the job in the first place. Postmen delivering letters to the wrong address, ones working in offices sending out letters full of mistakes, ones in shops that can't even speak to customers, and know nothing about the product they're selling.

Look at what skills they have (or should have) and ask yourself how you can demonstrate the same skills.

Yes, a few people will become successful after telling lies. However habitual liars (and that is what you are, if you keep up this charade) are far more likely to be at the bottom end of the food chain than the top.

failure

Bennifred wrote: »

In your position, I would say why not sign up with a temping agency? Temporary jobs sometimes turn into permanent ones. Even if you do a procession of temporary jobs, you won't have to lie to get them, and eventually you will have earned a genuine reference if you need one.

One agency just put me on their books and never bothered about me. That was years ago. I apply for jobs through the job portals, and some of those are jobs advertised by recruitment agencies, so they get my details. I was thinking of going into an agency, and was on their websites to see which ones to go to. Though I don't think they'll be interested if I tell them all the stuff I've said on here, as in that I've had no proper job except for a bit of Betterware, and the other one where they ripped me off and left me with no details. That was advertised in the job centre but they couldn't tell me the full details of the employer because they needed a reference number that I didn't have any more.

Are recruitment agencies really that desperate that they will employ someone with my 'work' history, as in the real one? Surely there will be better candidates for the jobs they have.

failure

jacques_chirac wrote: »

Look at what skills they have (or should have) and ask yourself how you can demonstrate the same skills.

Yes, a few people will become successful after telling lies. However habitual liars (and that is what you are, if you keep up this charade) are far more likely to be at the bottom end of the food chain than the top.

So you can know if a complete stranger is a ''habitual liar''. Yes I fully admit that I am telling lies to get a job, but that is the only thing I lie about. The rest of time I tell it as it is, but then if you knew me personally, you'd know that.

dori2o

failure wrote: »

One agency just put me on their books and never bothered about me. That was years ago. I apply for jobs through the job portals, and some of those are jobs advertised by recruitment agencies, so they get my details. I was thinking of going into an agency, and was on their websites to see which ones to go to. Though I don't think they'll be interested if I tell them all the stuff I've said on here, as in that I've had no proper job except for a bit of Betterware, and the other one where they ripped me off and left me with no details. That was advertised in the job centre but they couldn't tell me the full details of the employer because they needed a reference number that I didn't have any more.

Are recruitment agencies really that desperate that they will employ someone with my 'work' history, as in the real one? Surely there will be better candidates for the jobs they have.

With agencies my experience (3rd hand via my wife) has been that you should always if possible go to one of their branches and sit down with them. Go through EVERYTHING you think you could do, EVERYTHING you are willing to do, and they will be able to find you something.

In the meantime, if you are not working, could you be doing something to improve your vocational skills? Most colleges offer free/discounted courses for unemployed.

Using your time to improve your skills when not working is as important to an employer as having a temporary job.

Also, I thnk you are downplaying the fact you care for your sick/elderly? father.

Don't see this as a bad point, use it to explain to employers why you have gaps in your work history. Caring for a person who is ill/elderly is as hard, if not a lot harder, than working, and some employers (not just those in the care industry) will look on this favourably.

DCFC79

With agencies you need to call them up on a regular basis as they wont call you in my experience. You need to be realistic, apply for any job, stick at it and start from there or go and see agencies and see what work each 1 a sthat will solve the issue of no work history.

I also echo this point " use it to explain to employers why you have gaps in your work history. Caring for a person who is ill/elderly is as hard, if not a lot harder, than working, and some employers (not just those in the care industry) will look on this favourably. "

fawnsinthegarden

Employers expect a certain amount of 'furnishing of the truth' on CVs but where you will come unstuck is on the references, in my experience they always ask for a reference off your last employer and one other which usually you can choose.

Sometimes filling in a gap that is hard to explain away isn't the worst thing in the world, if that's what is hindering you but ultimately, with a few exceptions, anyone can learn to do any job, a lot of employers know this and it ultimately comes down to personality and willingness etc. A CV is all good and well but if you get an interview, they want to see you, your personality and judge whether you are a good fit for the team, they have already seen your experience on paper.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you need to start being more positive about life, your forum name indicates your not feeling very positive The difference between success and failure is the attitude behind it. And I know how it feels, I applied for jobs every single day, as soon as new ones popped up, kept a log so I could keep track of applications, applied for EVERYTHING that was in my capability, it took six months to find a job and it is disheartening, but something will turn up if you don't give up. Good luck