Work dilemma

AP007

gwen80 wrote: »

Sorry just thinking out loud now, but she recruited another girl at the same time as me and she's permanent. I'm sure she wasn't asked if she wanted to be permanent or temporary. They're investing in her training, but she could leave whenever she wants and has, in fact, mentioned to me possibly leaving within 2 years... My boss doesn't seem to have considered that. You can't make people stay in a job if they want to move on regardless of how much you've spent on their training.

its not against the law to resign you know

mountainofdebt

gwen80 wrote: »

I assume you meant 'rarely'

Congratulations you've passed the proof reading text,lol!

Also have you thought that they have great plans ahead and want to include you in them

FBaby

I think you are getting confused as to what their intention were in asking that question. It was a case of wanting you to tell them if you were thinking of what to do in 10 months time, most likely, they wanted to know if you were absolutely certain that you had absolutely no intention in anyway to still be here after that time (because you had already confirmed plans to go abroad and have a job lined up).

As it is, they were asking you whether there could be a chance that you might still be here after 10 months if there were to offer you the post permanent.

From your perspective, you have to look after yourself. So you respond by saying that you have no clear plan to do anything else after 10 months and as you are happy where you are (think satisfied when you say happy), you are most likely to still be there.

If any of the things you listed happen during that time, then tough, that's life, some win some lose.

gwen80

Funky_Bold_Ribena wrote: »

Gwen - anyone can leave anyway...when they want. Training or no training. It's just a job, not a marriage. Just tell them what they want to hear to get yourself what you want. That's how it works. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bit naive.

I know, so I'm a bit flummoxed by the conversation we had. If you tell someone you won't invest in them unless they're permanent, then surely people will say they want to be permanent no matter how long they intend to stay for?

AP007 wrote: »

its not against the law to resign you know

I know, but I struggle with letting people down. My first job out of Uni, I had the interview, then had another interview for a different (better) job. First job was offered to me, I accepted as I didn't fancy my chances of getting the second job, then second job was offered to me. In hindsight, what I should have done was then turned down the first job and accepted the second, but stupidly I didn't want to let people down and took the first job which turned out to be a nightmare and I left after a year.

mountainofdebt wrote: »

Congratulations you've passed the proof reading text,lol!

Also have you thought that they have great plans ahead and want to include you in them

Proofreading is effectively a large part of my job, so I'd hope so! Was that 'test' by the way?

Hmm, their idea of great plans might not be the same as my idea of great plans...

gwen80

FBaby wrote: »

I think you are getting confused as to what their intention were in asking that question. It was a case of wanting you to tell them if you were thinking of what to do in 10 months time, most likely, they wanted to know if you were absolutely certain that you had absolutely no intention in anyway to still be here after that time (because you had already confirmed plans to go abroad and have a job lined up).

As it is, they were asking you whether there could be a chance that you might still be here after 10 months if there were to offer you the post permanent.

From your perspective, you have to look after yourself. So you respond by saying that you have no clear plan to do anything else after 10 months and as you are happy where you are (think satisfied when you say happy), you are most likely to still be there.

If any of the things you listed happen during that time, then tough, that's life, some win some lose.

They're unaware of my dual nationality so I doubt that's the case. I only stated British on my CV as didn't seem relevant to state the other one when seeking employment in the UK.

I don't think so. I think if I agree to be permanent, my contract would be changed prior to 10 months, but I'm not sure. I was recruited by an agency though, so how would that affect things? Are my company paying the agency for the whole year or something? Or a one off fee for finding me? I don't know how it works from their side.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's a bit out of order to expect any sort of commitment from employees that's not contractual. If they wanted to get rid of me, I'm quite sure they wouldn't be factoring in my long term plans!!

scooby088

OP all you need to think about is you got a 12 month contract, and I would've said to the boss I wasn't thinking about anything longer. But I would also have asked if I was going to be offered a permanent contract.

Like everyone else has said you could leave anytime you want after all it's a free market to move whenever you want.

gwen80

scooby088 wrote: »

OP all you need to think about is you got a 12 month contract, and I would've said to the boss I wasn't thinking about anything longer. But I would also have asked if I was going to be offered a permanent contract.

Like everyone else has said you could leave anytime you want after all it's a free market to move whenever you want.

Sorry I don't understand. Are you saying that, in my position, you'd state that you're not thinking of anything longer than 12 months?

The agency told me the role had good potential to go permanent, but I wasn't expecting this subject to be broached so early in the contract.

scooby088

gwen80 wrote: »

Sorry I don't understand. Are you saying that, in my position, you'd state that you're not thinking of anything longer than 12 months?

The agency told me the role had good potential to go permanent, but I wasn't expecting this subject to be broached so early in the contract.

Yes exactly, plus you haven't really given it much thought, not until the manager spoke to you about going permanent.

gwen80

scooby088 wrote: »

Yes exactly, plus you haven't really given it much thought, not until the manager spoke to you about going permanent.

And accept that you'd not be given the training the other recruit was given and that you'd be given rubbish projects to work on?

scooby088

gwen80 wrote: »

And accept that you'd not be given the training the other recruit was given and that you'd be given rubbish projects to work on?

But do you want the job long term? and if you don't why should the company fund or give you training? And yes I would have to accept rubbish projects if I didn't want to work there longer term.