Work dilemma

mountainofdebt

If there's anything I've learnt in my xx years on this planet is that life really goes according to plan.

At the moment you don't have a plan yet have made a serious committment to the organisation by relocating; trouble is if carp hit the fan I doubt they would show you the same committment if they hit financial trouble and needed to reduce staffing levels.

Personally I would tell her that yes you do want to be made permenant and if something happens in the future to change that then don't worry about it.....look after no 1.

gwen80

mountainofdebt wrote: »

If there's anything I've learnt in my xx years on this planet is that life really goes according to plan.

I assume you meant 'rarely' Yep, I agree, it rarely does and I'm in my early thirties now and if I met a great guy tomorrow, my priorities may change.

mountainofdebt wrote: »

At the moment you don't have a plan yet have made a serious committment to the organisation by relocating; trouble is if carp hit the fan I doubt they would show you the same committment if they hit financial trouble and needed to reduce staffing levels.

Personally I would tell her that yes you do want to be made permenant and if something happens in the future to change that then don't worry about it.....look after no 1.

Yep I relocated for the job. The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get. I relocated and got no help relocating. I haven't even had my probationary review yet (another reason I was so surprised by this conversation). As I understand it they can get rid of me at any point in the first two years for whatever they like and I'd still be stuck renting a flat I didn't need if they did. Hence I took a massive chance moving, renting the flat to take a job, but they want all the risk to be on my side and seem to be trying to seek some sort of sense of commitment from me before they will take a risk on me.

Thanks

Gwen

webtalk

This is 2013, not 1913.

People don' take or provide jobs for life.

A permanent post is permanent for however long it lasts.

You can feel c8ommitted and sign the contract today. And next week something be5ter comes up for you that changes everything.

It would be only natural to resign. You would not be doing anything wrong even though the boss may say you are.

That is business and 'life'.

pandora205

I can understand why a manager may wish to know longer term plans but in reality no employee knows what will happen in the future that may change things. So, it's unreasonable to ask for a long term commitment but okay to ask 'if we offer you a permanent contract will you take it?' OP could say something like 'I am hoping that you will offer a permanent job as my current plans are to stay'.

You do not need to discuss long term plans for emigrating, having a family, moving in with a partner elsewhere, retiring to the coast or winning the lottery!

Funky_Bold_Ribena

gwen80 wrote: »

She'll be really hacked off. I worked for some utter nightmare bosses, but this one is one I really wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of.

But you will be leaving so it won't matter...

You tell them that you wouldn't have relocated unless you were serious about the job and you do not tell them that you have any other plans until you hand your notice in.

JournalGirl

Well I think you should be flattered by the conversation. To me it looks like you impress the boss, and she wants to commit to you and invest in some training earlier than she would normally.

What would normally happen is that if they give you extensive / expensive training, you may be asked to sign a training agreement that says you won't leave within two years (not usually longer than two years). If you do leave within this time, you need to pay the cost of part of the training back to the company.

Good luck

gwen80

JournalGirl wrote: »

Well I think you should be flattered by the conversation. To me it looks like you impress the boss, and she wants to commit to you and invest in some training earlier than she would normally.

What would normally happen is that if they give you extensive / expensive training, you may be asked to sign a training agreement that says you won't leave within two years (not usually longer than two years). If you do leave within this time, you need to pay the cost of part of the training back to the company.

Good luck

I don't imagine it'll be a Masters or anything like that. I imagine the most it'll be is a week long course run externally and maybe another shorter course, plus some internal training. To be honest they place a lot of emphasis on formal training whereas my previous employer just let you get on with it and learn on the job, so what they see as necessary training, other companies don't. Plus very early on in my time at my previous employer they paid for me to go on a few courses, but my commitment to the company was never questioned as part of that process??

I'm going abroad at Christmas and was going to speak to recruiters in my field out there to see what my options are. Currently I have no idea if I'd be able to find work in my field or not. Or if I might like it or not. If I decide to go, I don't want to feel that I'd be letting down my current company, but I feel like I'm being forced to make a decision earlier than I would like.

gwen80

Sorry just thinking out loud now, but she recruited another girl at the same time as me and she's permanent. I'm sure she wasn't asked if she wanted to be permanent or temporary. They're investing in her training, but she could leave whenever she wants and has, in fact, mentioned to me possibly leaving within 2 years... My boss doesn't seem to have considered that. You can't make people stay in a job if they want to move on regardless of how much you've spent on their training.

gwen80

pandora205 wrote: »

I can understand why a manager may wish to know longer term plans but in reality no employee knows what will happen in the future that may change things. So, it's unreasonable to ask for a long term commitment but okay to ask 'if we offer you a permanent contract will you take it?' OP could say something like 'I am hoping that you will offer a permanent job as my current plans are to stay'.

You do not need to discuss long term plans for emigrating, having a family, moving in with a partner elsewhere, retiring to the coast or winning the lottery!

Completely agree, I think it's unreasonable to ask for a long term commitment, for a period of I don't know how long...

Funky_Bold_Ribena

gwen80 wrote: »

Sorry just thinking out loud now, but she recruited another girl at the same time as me and she's permanent. I'm sure she wasn't asked if she wanted to be permanent or temporary. They're investing in her training, but she could leave whenever she wants and has, in fact, mentioned to me possibly leaving within 2 years... My boss doesn't seem to have considered that. You can't make people stay in a job if they want to move on regardless of how much you've spent on their training.

Gwen - anyone can leave anyway...when they want. Training or no training. It's just a job, not a marriage. Just tell them what they want to hear to get yourself what you want. That's how it works. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bit naive.