driving instructor and phone

Jamie_Carter

Pc_Crash wrote: »

I have a view that its not the crime of the century. Yes, I deal with many accidents, the causal factors are ample and varied. I can't ever recall an incident involving a driving school car whereby an instructor was on the phone, so from my small window of experience and in the grand scheme of things, it's just not on my list!


Sure, the instructor shouldn't do it but he's in a minority. The greater motoring public on phones is the real issue due to the numbers.

The person in charge of the vehicle being on the phone is the real issue.

Jamie_Carter

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

Very simple. He can not use a phone unless it is hand's free, as he's in charge of the car.
I'd be livid.
My DD's instructor occasionally asks her to pull over, and will check his phone which is on vibrate, and will occassionally make a call. Once the car is stopped. He tells all his pupils to text rather than call, and he will respond at the end of the leason he is giving.

He shouldn't really be using hands free either. Your DD's instructor was doing it the right way.

fart

It's great how every non-issue is debated to the hilt by the forum busy bodies all the time.

OP, i'd say it's good practice for what may happen in a real world situation for you. As for the instructor, i'd like to see anyone prove a single accident in the history of mankind that was cause by or could have been prevented by a driving instructor holding a phone to his ear.

Yeh he's being paid to teach you, but a 1 minute conversation is hardly the end of the world, even though some will get their kecks in a twist over it.

Jamie_Carter

fart wrote: »

It's great how every non-issue is debated to the hilt by the forum busy bodies all the time.

OP, i'd say it's good practice for what may happen in a real world situation for you. As for the instructor, i'd like to see anyone prove a single accident in the history of mankind that was cause by or could have been prevented by a driving instructor holding a phone to his ear.

Yeh he's being paid to teach you, but a 1 minute conversation is hardly the end of the world, even though some will get their kecks in a twist over it.

How many RTC's have there been where the person in charge of the vehicle is using a mobile phone???

The instructor is in charge of the vehicle, and is expected to take action in an emergency.

fart

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

How many RTC's have there been where the person in charge of the vehicle is using a mobile phone???

The instructor is in charge of the vehicle, and is expected to take action in an emergency.

Yeh you're hanging on the words without putting any common sense into it.

'Oh he's in CHARGE of the vehicle.'

I'm not really bothered how many RTC's there are when someone who's DRIVING the car is on a phone, because that's not the same situation at all.

Feel free to prove in your statistics how many RTC's are the result of a driving instructor answering his phone while a student's on a lesson. I'm willing to bet it's less than 0.001%. And in my world i'm not bothered about what the law says about someone being in 'charge' of a vehicle. The stats will say it's not dangerous at all and that 0.001% means it's nothing to get in a twist over.

And if it's that dangerous to have someone talking in your ear then i guess every motorcycle instructor in the world needs to be sued.

Mojisola

fart wrote: »

Feel free to prove in your statistics how many RTC's are the result of a driving instructor answering his phone while a student's on a lesson. I'm willing to bet it's less than 0.001%. And in my world i'm not bothered about what the law says about someone being in 'charge' of a vehicle. The stats will say it's not dangerous at all and that 0.001% means it's nothing to get in a twist over.

No-one has to prove anything. It's against the law to use the phone while you're supervising a learner driver.

If a driving instructor is willing to break the law in this regard, I wouldn't want him teaching me because I wouldn't trust his judgment in other areas.

fart

Mojisola wrote: »

No-one has to prove anything. It's against the law to use the phone while you're supervising a learner driver.

If a driving instructor is willing to break the law in this regard, I wouldn't want him teaching me because I wouldn't trust his judgment in other areas.

And AGAIN, breaking a law is different to it being dangerous as many on here have made out.

Would you refuse to be taught by him if his number plate was smaller than the allowed size, or if HE refused to wear a seatbelt, or had slightly over tinted windows?

It being against the law is different from it causing crashes, which i'm still waiting for proof of.

.....i can hear ol' James furiously searching Google for answers to try and prove me wrong.

Mojisola

fart wrote: »

And AGAIN, breaking a law is different to it being dangerous as many on here have made out.

Would you refuse to be taught by him if his number plate was smaller than the allowed size, or if HE refused to wear a seatbelt, or had slightly over tinted windows?

Yes. If he was doing anything to do with the vehicle or driving that was against the law, I wouldn't want him teaching me.

It being against the law is different from it causing crashes, which i'm still waiting for proof of.

.....i can hear ol' James furiously searching Google for answers to try and prove me wrong.

I don't think anyone is trying to find proof. You believe what you believe. If anyone did find evidence, I don't think you'd accept it.

fart

Mojisola wrote: »

I don't think anyone is trying to find proof. You believe what you believe. If anyone did find evidence, I don't think you'd accept it.

It's simply a case of a bunch of people totally over reacting to something which isn't really any sort of situation to even give a second thought. If the driver is that bad that instructor intervention is needed to the extent where being on a phone makes him incapable of it, the student shouldn't be driving on the road with other traffic yet. The reality is him answering a phone makes such little difference to the safety of other road users that it's barely worth mentioning.

People need to learn the difference between what the law says and what the reality is.

Jamie_Carter

fart wrote: »

Yeh you're hanging on the words without putting any common sense into it.

'Oh he's in CHARGE of the vehicle.'

I'm not really bothered how many RTC's there are when someone who's DRIVING the car is on a phone, because that's not the same situation at all.

Feel free to prove in your statistics how many RTC's are the result of a driving instructor answering his phone while a student's on a lesson. I'm willing to bet it's less than 0.001%. And in my world i'm not bothered about what the law says about someone being in 'charge' of a vehicle. The stats will say it's not dangerous at all and that 0.001% means it's nothing to get in a twist over.

And if it's that dangerous to have someone talking in your ear then i guess every motorcycle instructor in the world needs to be sued.

Well if that's your view, then lets just say that you are obviously a bad driver. And leave it at that.

If others can see the obvious reasons for the law, then so should you:

https://www.gov.uk/driving-lessons-who-can-teach-you

It’s illegal for the person to use a mobile phone while they are supervising you.