Now what?!!

Gingernutty

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

Do they live on the third floor?

If not [shrug].

Troutwrestler wrote: »

But it was only just after 6 at this point, and so what..my kids have been known to do this, my windows are very low to the ground...but I don't see how this is impacting on your life...unless it was your windows...

MrsAtobe wrote: »

Can you seriously not see the problem with this? Or are you just trolling? Words fail me...

They were on the ground floor of their rented house.

When was jumping up and down on the windowsills and pulling at the open frames ever acceptable?

If that's how they are treating property they are responsible for, I hardly dare turn my back for fear of what they'll do to mine........:eek:

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Gingernutty wrote: »

They were on the ground floor of their rented house.

When was jumping up and down on the windowsills and pulling at the open frames ever acceptable?

If that's how they are treating property they are responsible for, I hardly dare turn my back for fear of what they'll do to mine........:eek:

Other than offending your delicate sensibilities, it's highly unlikely to do any other damage.



FWIW, my children didn't do it because I lived on the 3rd floor. However, due to there only being a communal garden, all the children in the block played together outside for long periods, bikes, scooters, skates, colouring books, pavement chalks, football, baseball, plaiting hair and making daisy chains. They learned to get along with one another and with children both younger and older than themselves and were more self reliant as a result, not needing somebody to entertain them all the time and able to get along with people from any age group.

The children were usually out from about 9am until 8 or 9pm in summer, with occasional forays into the flats for food or new toys. Amongst their usual games, they did things such as helping the elderly neighbour with her shopping, rescuing baby birds from local moggies and insect identification (although that was mostly in terms of what particular species makes which adult scream loudest - other than me, because I was weird and would tell them the life cycle of said insect).


Had they been a nuisance, there was no doubt that one of the neighbours would have said something, either to the kids, the parents or the council - but it never happened.

Oh, and just in case you wondered - one is taking a Fine Arts degree in order to become an Art Therapist and the other one is a straight A student on her school Gifted and Talented Programme. The eldest girl from their group is now a Deputy Headteacher, the eldest boy has his own construction business (initially funded by his earnings from fixing bikes and scooters after he gained the experience in the group) and the next lad down from him is about to start his Masters.


Not bad for a bunch of kids shockingly allowed to play outside their council homes after teatime.

tinkerbell28

This actually puts the fear of god into me. I'm not a snob, I have lived in social housing in years gone past.

We are looking to buy and are purposely avoiding new builds so I don't have to mix with people like this. I spent 8 months in a place like it and had to install CCTV.

The type who leave dog !!!!!! on your doorstep and party until all hours in the garden because they don't have to get up for work. With the HA doing nothing and they didn't care, wasn't their house.

Not everyone is like it, and people do work hard to get themselves out, set an example. A high % don't IMO.

Troutwrestler

MrsAtobe wrote: »

Troutwrestler wrote: »

But it was only just after 6 at this point, and so what..my kids have been known to do this, my windows are very low to the ground...but I don't see how this is impacting on your life...unless it was your windows...

Can you seriously not see the problem with this? Or are you just trolling? Words fail me...

Why? Because I don't find kids playing out during the summer holidays a crime?,

No I'm just not the type peeping out my blinds complaining about everything and nothing.

As for the poster who brought up social housing, I don't live in social housing, I live in a lovely street full of homeowners. My children play out. Yes they make a noise, but I don't see that as a nuisance.

As I told my neighbour, if she has a problem she can come to my door. Old bat hasn't bothered. :rotfl:

Loz01

It's not kids being out playing at 8.30am that bothers me, it's kids shouting OIIII GIVE THAT BACK TO ME NOWWWWWWW at the top of their lungs and their own parents are apparently deaf to it.

A woman in our road complained that the summer holidays were too long and she didn't know what to do with her kids, I felt like saying well why have 4 then!!! People act like the stork really does bring them unexpectedly.

rozmister

tinkerbell28 wrote: »

This actually puts the fear of god into me. I'm not a snob, I have lived in social housing in years gone past.

We are looking to buy and are purposely avoiding new builds so I don't have to mix with people like this. I spent 8 months in a place like it and had to install CCTV.

The type who leave dog !!!!!! on your doorstep and party until all hours in the garden because they don't have to get up for work. With the HA doing nothing and they didn't care, wasn't their house.

Not everyone is like it, and people do work hard to get themselves out, set an example. A high % don't IMO.

As someone who works in social housing and knows numerous anti-social behaviour officers in the sector across counties who are point of call for every complaint (valid or not, resolved or not) I can tell you that the proportion of tenants in social housing who are anti-social is a low %, a definite minority. The majority of people in social housing live happy normal peaceful lives just like the rest of us. The problem is not the amount of people being anti-social it's the sheer volume of anti-social behaviour one anti-social family can create. The same faces moving around creating the same problems and leaving carnage behind them, a small hardcore minority that spoil it for the majority. The idea that the majority of social housing tenants don't appreciate their home because it's not theirs is a damaging myth.

tinkerbell28

rozmister wrote: »

As someone who works in social housing and knows numerous anti-social behaviour officers in the sector across counties who are point of call for every complaint (valid or not, resolved or not) I can tell you that the proportion of tenants in social housing who are anti-social is a low %, a definite minority. The majority of people in social housing live happy normal peaceful lives just like the rest of us. The problem is not the amount of people being anti-social it's the sheer volume of anti-social behaviour one anti-social family can create. The same faces moving around creating the same problems and leaving carnage behind them, a small hardcore minority that spoil it for the majority. The idea that the majority of social housing tenants don't appreciate their home because it's not theirs is a damaging myth.

From the living on the harsh end. I don't see it as a myth. Which is why I won't buy new builds AT ALL.

SingleSue

When I was younger, we would spend all day every day outside in the summer holidays. We would play tennis in the middle of the road, sunbathe on the path, football, water fights...you name it, we did it and probably pretty loudly too.

This wasn't council housing though, it was in a nice middle class, privately owned area and although we were noisy and boisterous, we did no harm.

We eventually grew up and moved on and the most commonly heard moan from the older people in the road now (who are in the 70's and 80's age range), is that the road is far too quiet, too boring and that the sounds of children playing is missed so much.

Mind you, any new children would be taking their lives in their hands trying to play tennis and football in the middle of the road now.....it's chock a block with cars travelling to and from the seafront!

rozmister

tinkerbell28 wrote: »

From the living on the harsh end. I don't see it as a myth. Which is why I won't buy new builds AT ALL.

So because of your own experience you've made a sweeping generalisation about the majority of social housing tenants; approx 3.6 million people?!

I live the harsh end AND I work in the sector - your experience whilst terrible and completely unacceptable does not represent the majority of social housing tenants.

Also plenty of new builds don't have social housing in them. Plenty have AFFORDABLE housing which can also mean Shared Ownership and FirstBuy. Section 106, the legislation that means SOME new developments have to have social housing as part of the development is ambiguous, whether there is social housing, affordable housing or some other kind of community focused provision made is decided by the local planning department before they give planning permission on a case by case basis. So your reluctance to buy ANY new build just in case you might end up next a anti -social social housing tenant (something you could check before you buy by looking at their Section 106 obligations) doesn't fit with the reality of the situation at all.

Gingernutty

Okaaaay, this thread has taken an odd turn.

I live in a Victorian terrace built in the late 1890s if that helps anyone......

As I said before

I have nothing against youngsters playing out in the street. Even though we all have back yards which interconnect.

It's a cul de sac, it's the Summer holidays and you can't coop them up inside all day.

This bunch rise at about 11:30 - 12:00, the kids hit the streets about 13:00, and the loud music, cannabis smoke, adults shouting at each other and the kids all seems to stop being intrusive around 22:00-23:00. So they're not up for long.

The lack of respect for other peoples' property is the worrying thing. They haven't just annoyed me and the neighbour on the other side of them, the kids play back and forth amongst the parked cars and have earned a few "OIGERROWDOFITS!" from car owners and users.

A lot of people around here work nights (cab drivers, carers and so on) and need plenty of sleep and their cars in good nick.

With the kids running riot and the combatative nature of the adults nominally in charge, I can foresee trouble brewing.

Not everyone is as nice as me around here.