Increasing problem of 'Fill and Drive Off'

alastairq

you lot are giving me ideas...................................

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Voyager2002 wrote: »

No: his acts are perfectly legal. The owner of a bar is entitled to insist upon a dress code, since would-be customers are free to put on clothes that meet the dress code. Equally, a Somali or American driver is free to hire a UK-registered car and then would be welcome to pay as British customers do, while a British person driving a vehicle registered in Somalia would be required to pay before pumping.

huh?

thats not the scenario though is it?

an american paying at the pump in a uk reg car then yes he would grant the pumping to his car on the fact he has a uk registered numberplate. going to another country you abide by their laws same as here in this country.

if a american drove a plymouth roadrunner on american plates into that managers fourcourt he would instruct to pay first!, when others around him would be granted without issue to fill their tanks with GB plates, he would singled out purely because he is not driving a british registered vehicle, i would call that descrimiation, especially if the american moved here and had rights to reside and considered british, pay first you have an amercan car, ck51 oh your ok ,pay first french car, kr52 oh your ok,polish pay first, just so happens that people driving forein cars are most likely to be forein. i mean how would you describe that scenario a legal.

George_Michael

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

huh?if a american drove a plymouth roadrunner on american plates into that managers fourcourt he would instruct to pay first!, when others around him would be granted without issue to fill their tanks with GB plates, he would singled out purely because he is not driving a british registered vehicle, i would call that descrimiation,

But surely if a British driver drove the same Plymouth Roadrunner into a garage, they would be treated exactly the same way as the American driver and be required to prepay so neither driver is being discriminated against because of their race, colour, religion, age or sexual orientation (and these are the main categories looked at when a discrimination case is brought against someone).

As the drivers or owners of foreign registered vehicles are far harder (and in many cases, impossible) to trace, I don't see anything wrong in businesses taking extra measures to prevent possible fraud. These drivers wouldn't be getting picked on because of who they are but simply because of what they are driving.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

George_Michael wrote: »

But surely if a British driver drove the same Plymouth Roadrunner into a garage, they would be treated exactly the same way as the American driver and be required to prepay so neither driver is being discriminated against because of their race, colour, religion, age or sexual orientation (and these are the main categories looked at when a discrimination case is brought against someone).

As the drivers or owners of foreign registered vehicles are far harder (and in many cases, impossible) to trace, I don't see anything wrong in businesses taking extra measures to prevent possible fraud. These drivers wouldn't be getting picked on because of who they are but simply because of what they are driving.

i would say its more to do with the property that the driver owns, he's descriminating against the very person who owns a foreign plated car.

George_Michael

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

i would say its more to do with the property that the driver owns, he's descriminating against the very person who owns a foreign plated car.

Discriminating against people isn't illegal provided that the discrimination isn't done because of race, colour, creed etc and it goes on in many aspects of daily life.

There is nothing is the Equality act which states that discriminating against people because of their possessions is illegal.
Many motor insurance companies do this all the time by refusing to quote for non UK registered vehicles, and are places like Bluewater and the Metro Centre acting illegally because they refuse to allow entrance to customers who are wearing hoodies or crash helmets? After all, these are just possessions the same as a car.
How about shops that refuse to let in more than one or two schoolkids at a time? I've yet to hear about a shopkeeper being prosecuted for discrimination over this policy.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

not just possestions though like i pointed out in earlier posts, he's foreign driving a foreign car until the manager establishes otherwise at the kiosk after telling him to pay first, polish, american,french, dutch, german he would be descriminating against his nationality based on his numberplate.

british drivers are just a likely to bilk actualy more likely being as there are more GB car owners than non uk car owners!. so i fail to see where the statistic he arose to about foreign drivers being more likely to bilk due to being untraceable, gb plates are more easily stolen and altered with black tape or a cam shy ones purchased online.

is there personal thoughts behind his actions, or is there real statistics behind his actions.

if everymonth he loses money out to all them foreign cars that sit in that part of the country compared to UK cars, then fair enough if someone has pointed out that they could be descriminating just imagine what the person paying first must feel watching people around him pulling the nozzle and filling up when he gets tannoy'd PAY FIRST PLEASE is going to think.

keystone

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

gb plates are more easily stolen and altered with black tape or a cam shy ones purchased online.

Off topic I know but do you really believe either of those techniques actually work in terms of disguising the vehicle ID? They don't. They may delay the process slightly but thats all.

Cheers

atrixblue.-MFR-.

keystone wrote: »

Off topic I know but do you really believe either of those techniques actually work in terms of disguising the vehicle ID? They don't. They may delay the process slightly but thats all.

Cheers

if they just delayed, then why are many peopl doing it? just to be delayed by a few mins would be pointless in the effort to mask the number plate, many kiosks are busy, are you saying an employee is stareing at a screen whilst there 10-15 people in a busy service station many ive been in are two or three in kiosk or shop at one time mostly serving customers.

E.g. a pub gets stung with duff cash by foreign tourists, he states all foreign tourists must pay first yet all GB nationals come in without having to pay at the door, how does the doorman know their foreign? their spoken language, same with a care numberplate you can identify a car by its plate of where it came from buy its oddly looking lettering they have to be foreign right?.

yet if he states that cars coming onto the fourcourt that triggers anpr (if installed) have to pay at the pump first, then that would imply that the rule is there for everyone not just foreign numberplated vehicles.

keystone

No I didn't say that. Camera Shy plates don't work. Black tape doesn't fool anybody in subsequent analysis. It doesn't have to be done at the time nor did I suggest it should be.

Cheers

atrixblue.-MFR-.

keystone wrote: »

No I didn't say that. Camera Shy plates don't work. Black tape doesn't fool anybody in subsequent analysis. It doesn't have to be done at the time nor did I suggest it should be.

Cheers