Contemplating switching to all electricity

macman

You are concerned about your gas bills? Then as already requested please post your annual kWh gas consumption (forget the electricity). Without this figure it's quite impossible to say whether your usage is normal or not.
If your total bills (gas and electricity) come to £1,030 then you are already about 20% under the average, so there really is no issue here.

lstar337

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

Everyone is missing a vital point we have been rebuilding = workman using power tools at least nine hours a day for nearly six months, so a proper comparison cannot be made.

I know you are ignoring my posts now, but please explain why you think this is even remotely relevant?

Workman uses power tools has no bearing on the fact that:

Electricity 1kWh Unit = 11.87p

Gas 1kWh Unit = 3.96p

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

it is apparent no-one has switched to all electric so cannot help if there is a break even point.

There is no break even point, that is what you are failing to see. Unless you are going to steal electricity, it will never break even.

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

you can argue figures and cost as they are at the moment, but will there be a break even at some point in the next five years?

No. Even if gas prices spiralled out of control, electricity prices will also rise as we generate a lot using gas. It will never break even.

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

This is what we are hoping if we do go all electric.

Keep hoping, it isn't going to happen.

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

The house is now open plan downstairs so this will impact on how the house is heated.

If you were planning to reduce consumption by only heating the room you are in, you have just made it worse. Unless you have decreased the overall heating area, the difference of a few wall will be negligible.

I don't understand why your electrical engineer husband is not telling you all of this.

Battleaxe44

1. Istar, I am not ignoring you I went to bed...I have busy this morning speaking to several energy consultants.

2. I know what the costs are, I said we ARE contemplating.

3. break even point = Turbine, storage etc..there has to be a break point eventually.

4. My husband also believes in nuclear generated electricity. This was one of the fields of his expertise.

5. I really seem to have gotten under your skin with this. Aren't people allowed to have differing opinions how money can be saved eventually?
You say it wont be saved in the long run, on today's figures no it wont be, but future plans it could be saved.

6. The farm over from us, has saved money on gas fuel costs, by doing exactly as we are planning to do. Ours will be on a smaller scale.

7. We are going ahead with what we orginally planned..to you we are stupid..so be it. We are going to pay the standing charge for the gas, just in case we do sell, in fact when we rebuilt we have allowed for a gas connection in the kitchen in case a future buyer prefers gas. We will also leave the connection for the gas for the central heating.

Your post reads like you want to shout at me.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread, your comments have been taken on board and discussed with husband.

He is shocked at how some people have reacted to what we are planning to do.

We are thinking long term here and it appears, certain people do not want to think laterally.



I have requested that this thread be closed

sheffield_lad

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

I have busy this morning speaking to several energy consultants.

I am interested to know if any of these consultants agreed with you?

Some on here are very experienced and don't inc me.

GL come back with your future bills at some point. I look forward to you proving us all wrong.

Battleaxe44

macman wrote: »

You are concerned about your gas bills? Then as already requested please post your annual kWh gas consumption (forget the electricity). Without this figure it's quite impossible to say whether your usage is normal or not.
If your total bills (gas and electricity) come to £1,030 then you are already about 20% under the average, so there really is no issue here.

Thank you macman, we agree there is no issue here as we are under the average consumption rate.

I was concerned about the abnormally high gas bill for the December - February quarter. I am no longer concerned as I believe it is a glitch and as someone else suggested we went from an imperial meter to a metric meter. One of the reasons for the jump.

We have also found out there is a probem with the boiler and the storage tank for the hot water, amazing what 24 hours reveals,. The technical explanation and readings confirm this. DH has thought this for some time.

We are also replacing the double glazed windows with triple glazing in preparation for the winter. it might be overkill for some, but this is our decision and our savings.

We will be two oldies as snug as bugs in rug... well hopefully. If Istar's predictions are right, we might end up poor, make the energy company money time will tell.

lstar337

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

4. My husband also believes in nuclear generated electricity. This was one of the fields of his expertise.

Interesting. I have close connections with the nuclear industry too. Though, my work is concentrated around decommissioning.

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

6. The farm over from us, has saved money on gas fuel costs, by doing exactly as we are planning to do. Ours will be on a smaller scale.

Saved on gas fuel costs, no doubt, butI do doubt it saved on overall costs. Unless the farm is a PV solar farm.:D

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

Your post reads like you want to shout at me.

I just wanted to save you time and money.

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

He is shocked at how some people have reacted to what we are planning to do.

Really?

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

We are thinking long term here and it appears, certain people do not want to think laterally.

I like to think logically.

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

I have requested that this thread be closed

Why? It's an interesting discussion.

lstar337

Battleaxe44 wrote: »

We will be two oldies as snug as bugs in rug... well hopefully. If Istar's predictions are right, we might end up poor, make the energy company money time will tell.

Actually, I hope you are right about the electricity prices. Since I am all electric, with no hope of gas, I can only benefit if you are right.

Sadly, for both of us, I fear that will never happen.

Good luck with the remainder of your renovations, and I hope your home turns out to be all you want from it.

Cardew

We are thinking long term here and it appears, certain people do not want to think laterally.

I have requested that this thread be closed

I think that you have not appreciated that posts in a thread on a Money Saving Website are not solely written for the OP's(yourself in this case) benefit, but as advice for anyone else contemplating a, frankly, misguided course of action. It is of course your prerogative to take, or reject that advice, but that advice could well save others money.

Just a point on turbines.

I suggest you read the many posts on MSE and elsewhere on the web. Unless you have a huge garden in an ideal location(unlikely with a 2 bed ex-MOD married quarter??), they are worse than useless in UK. Look up Warwick wind trials.

Bringing the thread back to small scale turbines – about which the OP was enquiring - the Warwick wind trials make interesting reading, and should put off anyone thinking of installing these devices.

http://www.warwickwindtrials.org.uk/...al+Report+.pdf

The best performing turbine in the trial generated an average of 2.382 kWh per day when in operation, equivalent to 869
kWh in a full year. –

The poorest site generated an average of 41Wh per day(note Watts not kilowatts) when in operation or 15 kWh per year, which is less than the energy it consumed to run the turbine’s electronics. Energy consumption averages 80Wh per day per turbine (29kWh per year) which is significant on some sites.

Many actually consumed more electricity to run their electronics than they generated! So you are in effect running a fan

Even the very best turbine on top of a tower block would have generated 869kWh a year(see above) - except it couldn't be operated because of the noise

Battleaxe44

sheffield_lad wrote: »

I am interested to know if any of these consultants agreed with you?

Some on here are very experienced and don't inc me.

GL come back with your future bills at some point. I look forward to you proving us all wrong.

Yes the consultants did agree. One was hesitant but long term can see the practicality of the suggestion.

SL, I will come back with the bill after next winter and then see what the comaprisons are, it wont save money short term, but we are looking long term and the cost of the turbine and storage, is frightening. Thank goodness we have a lot of winds out this way. Not one neighbour has objected to the planning.

We were the ones who provided internet connections for the area all those years ago, when BT said we were too far out from the exchange. Nothing like an aerial installed on the water tower (with permission). we were also the ones first with fibre optic connection out this way after badgering BT to upgrade the copper wire. Someone has to lead the way and take that step into the unknown, be it proved right or wrong.

bob_bank_spanker

This has turned into an absolute car crash of a thread.

Why do people ask for advice when they don't want to take it on board? If the OP wants pretty electric heaters, fine, but this is a Money Saving board after all....