Facing disciplinary action - HELP!

MissDVL

debrag wrote: »

You handed in your notice before getting a reference?

I had already been given a start date with another new job prior to the one I am referring to, but the second job have not yet requested references, and obviously this has all only come to light in the last two weeks of my notice period.

MissDVL

prowla wrote: »

Of course rules are there to prevent dodgey happenings and legalities being compromised.

But, assuming that the meet was mutual and purely personal and the person is not vulnerable/under age/etc., then I can't see anything morally untoward with it.

In terms of re-resigning, I think the employer could stick to the letter of their contract, unless you could come to an agreement.

Thanks for this. He's smart, a grown man and been inside a long time, he knows exactly what we were getting into and his role in it. It was completely mutual and purely personal.

That's the only area where I'm a bit unclear, as I've already worked my notice period officially required of me (4 weeks). I am literally only working the extra because I requested to, to bring it closer to my start date with my new job and not affect my salary. Now that I have worked what I am contractually obliged to, I am hoping I can go into this meeting tomorrow and come to a compromise whereby I resign with immediate effect which means they don't have to pay me for the next week and a half, in return for not providing a dodgy reference.

Tiddlywinks

prowla wrote: »

Of course rules are there to prevent dodgey happenings and legalities being compromised.

But, assuming that the meet was mutual and purely personal and the person is not vulnerable/under age/etc., then I can't see anything morally untoward with it.

In terms of re-resigning, I think the employer could stick to the letter of their contract, unless you could come to an agreement.

He is a prisoner - he is in captivity and is an ex client so has drug / alcohol problems... He IS 'vulnerable'!

There is NO excuse... No matter how intelligent or willing he was... He was in a compromised position and the OP was in a position of authority.

Very, very poor judgement.

MissDVL

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

He is a prisoner - he is in captivity and is an ex client so has drug / alcohol problems... He IS 'vulnerable'!

There is NO excuse... No matter how intelligent or willing he was... He was in a compromised position and the OP was in a position of authority.

Very, very poor judgement.

He is at the end of his sentence, in an open prison, where he spends Mon-Fri in the community doing outside work, Saturdays on town visits and 4 days a month on home leave. Can't really describe that as captivity. Are you saying if he had gotten into a relationship on the outside of the prison, someone else would be taking advantage of his 'vulnerability'?! Or is it just the fact that I happen to work where he rests his head at night that makes it a 'vulnerable' situation?

And ex-client....he HAD drug/alcohol problems.

scooby088

OP I think you need to learn lessons from this debacle, never mix business and pleasure.

I know the reason for extending your notice period, but would the charity have known anything or in fact done anything if you had left after 4 weeks? Would you be in the position you are now in?

I think you could still be sacked for gross misconduct which wouldn't look good on any reference, but so is the truth of a reference if they let you end your extended notice period. Hope it works out for you.

dawnybabes

Because he's vulnerable (whether you or him think it or not) theybhavevto look out for him. The rules state 2 years. I would expect them to report this and it will be on your crb check (or whatever they call it this week)

MissDVL

scooby088 wrote: »

OP I think you need to learn lessons from this debacle, never mix business and pleasure.

I know the reason for extending your notice period, but would the charity have known anything or in fact done anything if you had left after 4 weeks? Would you be in the position you are now in?

I think you could still be sacked for gross misconduct which wouldn't look good on any reference, but so is the truth of a reference if they let you end your extended notice period. Hope it works out for you.

I know, I have most definitely learnt my lesson!

That's the ironic thing, had I not extended my notice period then I would have left last Wednesday and they would be none the wiser.

I have emailed my new employer explaining the situation and they have said HR will have to deal with it so fingers crossed. I would much rather have a reference stating I resigned while suspended than dismissed for gross misconduct. Neither looks good but it's the lesser of two evils!

Thanks for the decent reply

MissDVL

dawnybabes wrote: »

Because he's vulnerable (whether you or him think it or not) theybhavevto look out for him. The rules state 2 years. I would expect them to report this and it will be on your crb check (or whatever they call it this week)

It won't appear on a CRB because it I don't have any criminal convictions for it. Yes, it will affect my employment prospects but criminal record wise I am clean.

MissDVL

Wow, judgemental much? I must have overseen the part where I asked for people to comment on my life choices rather than give advice...I was always brought up under the impression that if you didn't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all

The example I set my child is the fact that I work full time to keep a roof over his head, don't rely on benefits to support us and do what I can to further myself in my career. Fortunately as I was not born in the Stone Age I will also teach him that people make bad decisions and that his mother will be here to support him no matter what. If it makes me a bad parent to do so then shame on me but hey, I'm sure if I was smoking crack and selling myself on the street corner I would probably get a whole bunch of sympathy and told 'she's just gone down the wrong path'. Oh the irony.

dawnybabes

MissDVL wrote: »

It won't appear on a CRB because it I don't have any criminal convictions for it. Yes, it will affect my employment prospects but criminal record wise I am clean.

I'd double check this as its a safeguarding issue and I'm sure your employer will ave to tell them.