JSA - under 25 - having to sign on every week and far away from home?

gettingready

busy_mom wrote: »

Next time she is booked an interview, tell her to ask for the mandatory letter that informs her of the sanctions that can be imposed if she fails to attend, on there it will clearly state she will be re-embursed her fares, please do not shout at me by typing in bold, if you do not want help then do not ask.

Shouting would be typing in capitals. Typing in bold is not shouting.

I know what she was told, she was never given any letter.

Marisco

I find this thread has taken a very peculiar turn?? It's gone from the cost of the bus fare, to it not being safe for a 23 year old adult to go 3 miles!! My daughter went to work in a place just outside Miami, when she had just turned 19. I think apron strings are far too tight these days!!

Dunroamin

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Nothing back? Really?

Aside from the....

- Education your daughter has received
- Healthcare from the NHS
- The council flat you live in
- Law Enforcement / Courts / legal system for your protection
- National infrastructure of roads etc
- Public administration of benefits, the countryside, the environment etc
- Armed services

... I could go on...

You are kidding yourself if you believe your contributions will cover the resources taken by you and your daughter over the past few years.

You are not quite as important to the economy as you think you are!

And isn't it just great when people who have been higher rate tax payers for many years (apparently) occupy precious council accommodation and with a lodger to boot!

gettingready

It is one thing to take a job in Miami, one thing to go into prisons because one wants to - quite another having to venture into area one would happily never see in his/life because someone decided this is a good idea to put an U25 Job Centre there.

Apron stings? Nope. Common sense. My daughter was living/working over 500 miles away for 2 years before coming back home recently. She had 3 jobs while there as well as run her own little business which unfortunately did not work out. So spare me the apron strings please.

Re my council flat - I had my council flat for like 15 years or so now and what does it mater? I pay my rent, I pay all my bills. I work. End of.

Re higher taxes - not any more as decided to go solo rather than working for someone else so will be paying very low taxes.. on a much higher income.

Yes, there is life outside benefits system if one wants it.

My daughter will not be on JSA for long, that is for sure.

But she will not be applying for any crap NMW job - as hers is contribution based, the first few months she does not have to apply for every crap job there is. She can limit her searches to her education/background/previous work experience/salary.

Thanks for all the posts.

rozmister

gettingready wrote: »

It is one thing to take a job in Miami, one thing to go into prisons because one wants to - quite another having to venture into area one would happily never see in his/life because someone decided this is a good idea to put an U25 Job Centre there.

Apron stings? Nope. Common sense. My daughter was living/working over 500 miles away for 2 years before coming back home recently. She had 3 jobs while there as well as run her own little business which unfortunately did not work out. So spare me the apron strings please.

Re my council flat - I had my council flat for like 15 years or so now and what does it mater? I pay my rent, I pay all my bills. I work. End of.

Re higher taxes - not any more as decided to go solo rather than working for someone else so will be paying very low taxes.. on a much higher income.

Yes, there is life outside benefits system if one wants it.

My daughter will not be on JSA for long, that is for sure.

But she will not be applying for any crap NMW job - as hers is contribution based, the first few months she does not have to apply for every crap job there is. She can limit her searches to her education/background/previous work experience/salary.

Thanks for all the posts.

They put the specialist job centre there because, if it's rough like you claim, there will be more unemployed young people living round there and so it makes sense to place the resources near the majority of their clients. I live in the most deprived area in the SW and I'd happily walk the streets during the daytime (and at night but that's not what they're asking of your daughter) - there's not many places in the UK that are truly dangerous during the daytime.

I signed on last year for 3 weeks and was told that I should have had to sign on every week (I was 23) because that is job centre policy for under 25s but my adviser made an exception and allowed me to sign on every other week. It's because a lot of young people under 25 are NEET and so they provide extra support for every under 25 to try and help them get into EET. It makes sense in theory - your daughter has less experience and business connections than someone twice her age so the jobcentre are meant to help her a little bit more.

Your daughter is in a much better position than a lot of jobseekers her age - lots of 23 year olds are trying to pay a top up on their rent, gas, electric, water, tv license, sewerage and food out of their JSA payment leaving them with no disposable income or borrowing to cover costs. Your daughter still has about £40 left as disposable income according to you - that's plenty.

I have to say I hope your daughter has a more positive attitude about her job seeking and career. Your comments so far have been quite negative about the job centre, their staff, the other people who use it, the jobs available, etc. The best job finding tool is a good positive attitude - I know people with many more qualifications than me who have languished on JSA or in NMW jobs going nowhere fast because they're negative and don't have drive. Instead of moaning about the fact your daughter has to do something once a week to receive free money why aren't you helping her job search and feeling grateful you're lucky enough to live in a country which provides benefits for the unemployed and support to help them find another job??

gettingready

Rozmister - thanks for your post.


My daughter will not have 40 per week "disposable income" as she will have to contribute to food/bills at home from this.

My negative comments are based on experience, of what I see around me (East London).

Those forever new policies and guidelines do nothing to get people into jobs.

I know my daughter will find a good job soon but it will not be through the JC or UJM or any of the likes - all they try to do is to push people into NMW wage , dead end jobs.

And I want more for my daughter and of course I will help her.

I was just wondering about the whole system and how badly organised it is overall.

CKhalvashi

gettingready wrote: »

Rozmister - thanks for your post.


My daughter will not have 40 per week "disposable income" as she will have to contribute to food/bills at home from this.

My negative comments are based on experience, of what I see around me (East London).

Those forever new policies and guidelines do nothing to get people into jobs.

I know my daughter will find a good job soon but it will not be through the JC or UJM or any of the likes - all they try to do is to push people into NMW wage , dead end jobs.

And I want more for my daughter and of course I will help her.

I was just wondering about the whole system and how badly organised it is overall.

The system is designed to get those out of work, into work, and to an extent it does that.

With the U25 specialist centres, there are more and more people that don't have the skills your daughter has, and haven't been in work before, and as mentioned, they're placed in deprived areas to get young people into work.

I don't know how much work is available in the area you live, or what the types of work are, but my OH was a taxi controller, then a driver (she drove days, I was a teacher, so drove evenings/weekends), then bought the company we drove for, with us both working tirelessly to bring it from 15 to 50 cars, so these 'dead end' jobs can turn out to be something good. This was done within 3 years. It wasn't our ideal job, but with 2 young children, it meant that we had 1 wage coming in, and it had a lot of flexibility in when we worked and what we earned etc.

In general, though, the system is badly designed, and your DD may be best off looking for work on her own, and checking into JCP whenever it's needed. If she sets target to apply for 30 jobs a week, she's bound to get something soon.

CK

gettingready

CKhalvashi - thanks for your post and well done to you and your OH.

Yes, system is badly designed. It should be better thought off to help people rather than put them off and depress them even more.

Yes, there are a lot of U25's that have never done anything with their lives so far and perhaps those need a bit of a push/direction but again, in a positive/encouraging way.

There are also a lot of under 25's who have done a lot already, have the skills/experience etc who are unemployed professionals and not professionally unemployed.

There is nothing but retail/catering/carers jobs in east London, all paying NMW so we are not even looking here as this is not where she wants to be.

She got some unique skills/experience that with the right company can take her places.

Just doing some research into this - in the meantime, ticking boxes for the JC.

CKhalvashi

gettingready wrote: »

CKhalvashi - thanks for your post and well done to you and your OH.

Yes, system is badly designed. It should be better thought off to help people rather than put them off and depress them even more.

Yes, there are a lot of U25's that have never done anything with their lives so far and perhaps those need a bit of a push/direction but again, in a positive/encouraging way.

There are also a lot of under 25's who have done a lot already, have the skills/experience etc who are unemployed professionals and not professionally unemployed.

There is nothing but retail/catering/carers jobs in east London, all paying NMW so we are not even looking here as this is not where she wants to be.

She got some unique skills/experience that with the right company can take her places.

Just doing some research into this - in the meantime, ticking boxes for the JC.

I do see where you're coming from, and whilst I've remained a Cllr, I've left teaching to start my own company, and I've actually done pretty well at it. With a good idea, things could go either way, and whilst I couldn't afford to do it full-time straight away, I've found a niche area, and built on that.

Outside the immediately local area, Addison Lee are looking for both controllers and drivers (if she's had her license for 3+ years, to get the PCO).

They are big on the TV in recent years, and an independent blog by one of their drivers suggest that if you put the hours in, £1000 a week is possible driving, plus a free car. They're a family-owned company, that started in 1975 with just two cars.

Again, it may not be her dream job, but they were trying to get more female drivers into their cars, and I know in London (we're an operator based outside of London), they're one of the best to drive for. If she puts the hours in for 2-3 years, then decides where she wants to go, she could have a decent house deposit etc saved up by this time.

As I'm sure is obvious, I'm nothing to do with the company I've mentioned, except for using them for a business contract.

CK

gettingready

Thanks a lot again.

Unfortunately she failed her first test so got to pay for another one now.

But perhaps an idea for someone else.