ATOS loses ESA & PIP Assessment Contract

tokenfield

sunnyone wrote: »

Come on Brassedoff, what job can someone with my disabilities do?

A door stop maybe?

You have the headline disabities that I have posted on this thread, there are others but they are not as important and I repeat I want to work if at all possible if a suitable job was available (as in a job I am caperble of doing, not holding out for something totally beyond my reach which some job seekers seem to hold out for on the benefits boards)

I spend over 90% of my time in the bed the NHS provides me with because its the only place I even have a chance of being comfortable.

Then of course there are the drugs I must take to move at all, "hillbilly heroin" robs you of some of your intalect nnnnnnnnfd

Since when was the ESA assessment geared to 'if there was a job I would do it'?

You are assessed against various factors to see if you could carry out some work based functions. Whether there is a job or not has nothing to do with it. You are being assessed to see if you are fit for ANY type of job. What do you expect - the government to say that unless a job comes up that you think is suitable you should be allowed to claim ESA in the meantime??

I thought that JSA was set up for that purpose.

CTcelt1988

tokenfield wrote: »

Defeatist before you start.

The point was that 90% of those that were on long term IB have been found to have none or very little ill health problems that would stop them from working. Of course there will be those that had a miracle cure just before the ATOS assessment and closed there claim. If IB had been left untouched I doubt very many of that 90% would have volunteered to come off IB - they were pushed off, no matter what you say. A basket full of scroungers in my opinion.

Given my disabilities and ill health AND still being able to do some work, should be a shining light for others to follow.

Surely the question is this 90% have been taking the mickey out of the system for I don't know how long and have never admitted to having an improved health - Why??

The same goes for the vast majority of those that are in the Work Group - they should be actively looking for work, not trying to find ways out of doing so, plus , what was the figure, of those new claimants of ESA 60%??? were found to be trying it on as well. That gives a massive number of people that are too damn lazy to look for work or even do voluntary work on a full time basis until they do find work.

Not defeatist, just realistic. The chances of self employment being successful is very low. Most small companies operate at a loss. Like I said, it takes alot of capital to start a business. Hard to get loans when banks aren't giving out as much money as they used to.

tokenfield

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

Not defeatist, just realistic. The chances of self employment being successful is very low. Most small companies operate at a loss. Like I said, it takes alot of capital to start a business. Hard to get loans when banks aren't giving out as much money as they used to.

You don't need mega amounts of money.
I invested nothing in my business, the income/profits generated the capital that was used to purchase equipment (new computer, telephones etc) The rest of the profits were used to pay the overheads. OK I only clear about £90 a week after working 15 hours, but after 5 years I have a viable business that I could expand if I wanted and I have no debt associated with it. The business pays its own way - always has done.

schrodie

tokenfield wrote: »

That was not the point or what was being discussed. It doesn't matter a hoot if they can never be employed - what was said that they are fit for work.

If there are no employers in this country then self employment is the obvious answer.

As you have stated that 'Everyone CAN do some work.' how do YOU expect someone in a Persistent Vegetative State, or a long term coma or someone who is severely mentally or physically handicapped to become self employed or even employed?

sunnyone

Brassedoff wrote: »

Sorry, it took me too long to read your actual post, I was filling up all the time.

If you are content to live on hand outs without trying, fair enough. If you had NO benefits, what would you do? Starve, curl up and die.

That's not for me, that's not for many, many others. I feel sorry you have such low esteem of your own abilities you believe you are unable to even do work as a proof reader (tell me what would stop you from doing that? No eyes? No hands? Cannot read? Yawn)

Shame you can't read my post or you would know that I couldn't proof read as I can't hold a book/ manipulate papers etc. and I couldnt manage it via laptop either since I struggle with voice softwere because my voice being "flat" due to being deaf for nearly 30 years.

It takes me 30 minutes or so to type a short reply on this forum, I use the voice softwere then I need to correct it where it has made mistakes, I also cannot use a computor for long because it hurts so much despite all the drugs.

Come on then you can try and out do the DEA then, being deaf, a powerchair user and having very limited use of the arms/hands ie. cannot grip means/move elbow on primary hand, there are no jobs I'm caperble of doing. Im educated to degree level with vocational qualifications too.

I have a happy life, all be it severely limited due to disability and a family that love me so please dont feel sorry for me and turn your anger to something else.

50Twuncle

When I was assessed for DLA six years ago - I had a ATOS "Doctor" visit me at home and (surprisingly) assessed me as being entitled to Max Care and Max Mobility - they paid me over £100 per week for 2 months - I looked in to getting a car under Motorbility - Then wrote to me - saying that I was not entitled to a single penny and claimed over £800 back from me - I appealed through my MP and was then (correctly) entitled to Mid Care - from which I had to repay my "overpayment" over the next year !!- ATOS are a big joke - but as others have asked - who is replacing them ?
They won't be any better - they will most likely employ the same staff as ATOS did - so no change there then !!

schrodie

50Twuncle wrote: »

When I was assessed for DLA six years ago - I had a ATOS "Doctor" visit me at home and (surprisingly) assessed me as being entitled to Max Care and Max Mobility - they paid me over £100 per week for 2 months - I looked in to getting a car under Motorbility - Then wrote to me - saying that I was not entitled to a single penny and claimed over £800 back from me - I appealed through my MP and was then (correctly) entitled to Mid Care - from which I had to repay my "overpayment" over the next year !!- ATOS are a big joke - but as others have asked - who is replacing them ?
They won't be any better - they will most likely employ the same staff as ATOS did - so no change there then !!

So you applied for DLA and received a visit from an atos "doctor" and the result was that you were awarded (by the DWP) High Rate Care & Mobility. Then out of the blue they wrote and told you that you weren't entitled to anything!!! What reasons did the DWP give?

Parva

Sunnyone sums it up perfectly! I'm not going to sit here and beg BrassedOff and And... errr Tokenfield to understand why I am unable to get to places of employment, why I cannot hold phone calls or why my time at the keyboard is severely limited. Nor am I going to be popping up in the Dragons Den with my idea for a business that I can run self-employed, Alan Sugar I am not.

Well done to both of you for going beyond those disabilities and starting and running your own businesses no matter how small or large they are. Now will you please understand that at least as far as I'm concerned 30 years of printing on large format presses went with the cancerous leg. On top of other complications life is rather tricky and I'm no Duncan Banatyne. Much as I would love to lay in bed clicking icons and seeing my bank account rise it isn't going to happen.

Yes I know there are some that abuse the system but I would suggest that there are few here and it's about time that you both held up on the criticism a bit.

zepplinman

I'm 56 year old and have worked all my life until about 2 year ago, I have waited 7 months for my assesment and have been told it may take another 3 months. I'm not a scrounger and would love to be able to work but I'm vertually housebound now suffering with chronic osteoarthritis and several other conditions. I don't think its right to benefits its a human entitlement and yes if I do qualify for pip my quality of life will be enhanced. I only receive esa and I have to pay for a carer 3 hours per week cos that's all I can afford, there is no other way I can qualify for help I've tried. Many times its eat or heat spending days in bed to keep warm so to preserve my heating costs. I never thought in a million years I would be left in this position in 2014. As for the commemt made about Stephen Hawkins yes he's a brilliant and remarkable person but without the help of 4 fulltime nurses and other staff at a cost of 150 thousand pound he wouldn't be able to carry on the way he can. People like me applying for a little extra help can only wish for a better quality of life and not a life of luxury as portryed by narrow minded indivigials who anyone on benefits is a scrouger and secon class citizen. Thankyou....

schrodie

zepplinman wrote: »

I'm 56 year old and have worked all my life until about 2 year ago, I have waited 7 months for my assesment and have been told it may take another 3 months.

Atos the mob given £millions of taxpayers' money is undergoing meltdown it would appear!! Here

Also it seems the clock is running out for this mob. :T

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