After the Work Programme

donnajunkie

kizzie_nikita wrote: »

Well, my housemate has finished the WP and he now has to do 35 hours a week work in a charity shop. He was told at the JC that everyone who finishes the WP will be placed in charity shops/other shops alike for 35 hours a week, until they find a job.

i dont think there are enough places available for people to be permanently on it.

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

Because it isn't a proper job, no one is calling it a proper job. It is community work as recompense for the money the community is giving to you in order to stop your from dying.

then it does not bring the fairness you claim it exists to create. if you want to make things all equal and fair then everyone works and everyone gets a proper wage and employment rights. saying its not a proper job is no excuse for denying everyone who works the same rights.

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

It is people like you and AP007 that creates the animosity towards the unemployed. All you both ever do is complain and how XYZ is evil and unfair. Not once do you put your hat on a meaningful alternative policy.

Put up or shut up.

i presume if you ever lose your job you will be asking to be put on it from day 1? with any luck you will be put on something like what i do voluntary.

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

Meaningful alternative policy?

Make it illegal to turn someone down for an interview on the basis they are unemployed

How about that for starters, or instead of throwing £millions at the WP why not give an employer an incentive to consider seriously someone who has lost a job and if they are in work with them for 2 years or more the Gov pay a % of the 1st years salary instead of giving the WP £££££ to spend on nothing at all.

Or maybe give the WP a kick up the backside to actually help people get interviews.......oh no ops sorry they can't do that, sorry.

guaranteed employment for 6 months is the only thing that has a chance of working. nothing else.

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

They will be paid the minimum wage. £56/£6 = 9ish hours, so one day's labour. Potentially more if you take into account other benefits.

i repeat it wont just be 1 day a week.

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

It is not unreasonable to demand people who claim benefits to work to pay for them.

and dole isnt the only benefit out there.

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

As for those in work and receiving benefits, make them do some community work too. It isn't right that people can work 20 hours a week and take home more than someone working full time.

many fulltime workers get benefits too.

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

I’m not denigrating them. The current situation is bringing the entire system into disrepute. You can't bite the hand that feeds you and expect nothing to change. I'm trying to save the system, some are hell bent on getting everything they can and collapsing it.

working for dole instead of a wage where you would pay taxes, spend money in shops etc does not help the system, it harms it.

scooby088

The unemployed are an easy target, getting people off the dole and into work is the hardest thing to do, sure there are people who don't want to work and find every excuse under the sun not to get it, then there are those whose experience goes against them with employers looking for cheap labour(apprenticeships)

The longer you are unemployed the worse it get for you the mental side is a killer, rejection after rejection, threats of sanction the only motivation the DWP can come up with to motivate you to go on programmes and courses.

You ask for courses that will enhance your employability and unless you are under 25 then there is no funding available.

And then you have forced labour on a community project socialising with those on community pay back and being tarred with the same brush as them, jobseekers being criminalised all for the stigma of being unemployed.

Denning.

donnajunkie wrote: »

i presume if you ever lose your job you will be asking to be put on it from day 1? with any luck you will be put on something like what i do voluntary.

Of course not, I would rather not do menial work for benefits, but I would accept that if I wanted benefits that I would need to do it.

donnajunkie wrote: »

i repeat it wont just be 1 day a week.

You have no idea what it will be.

donnajunkie wrote: »

and dole isnt the only benefit out there.

Never said it was.

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