After the Work Programme

BurnleyBob

Denning. wrote: »

I don't think it is fair that many many people are working long hours struggling to pay their bills whilst being forced under threat of prison to pay tax to give to someone who sits at home all day.

So why don't you support a policy that makes the system fairer instead of whining 'Oh they get more than me it's so unfair givemegivemegiveme'

Cleaning a hedge along a country road isn't an important job, but that isn't a reason not to do it. You are literally doing nothing else with your life, like 1000s of other people, it is not unreasonable to have to work 8 hours a week to try and make the world a little bit better.

If something needs doing then pay whomever the legal minimum wage to do it.

There's too many dopey dollops who don't understand that it's not those that they perceive are below them on the greasy pole who are crapping on them.

The various work for your dole schemes are designed to suppress wages so that the vast majority of Britons slog for less in real terms and in effect become poorer with each passing year.

It's great for businesses and their shareholders as there's no austerity in the corporate welfare space.

marleyboy

BurnleyBob wrote: »

The various work for your dole schemes are designed to suppress wages so that the vast majority of Britons slog for less in real terms and in effect become poorer with each passing year.

I think it has more to do with making the unemployment figures look better, when a Government can claim that Unemployment has dropped, without having to falsely claim the employment figures have risen.

Denning.

BurnleyBob wrote: »

If something needs doing then pay whomever the legal minimum wage to do it.

There's too many dopey dollops who don't understand that it's not those that they perceive are below them on the greasy pole who are crapping on them.

The various work for your dole schemes are designed to suppress wages so that the vast majority of Britons slog for less in real terms and in effect become poorer with each passing year.

It's great for businesses and their shareholders as there's no austerity in the corporate welfare space.

They will be paid the minimum wage. £56/£6 = 9ish hours, so one day's labour. Potentially more if you take into account other benefits.

AP007

Denning. wrote: »

They will be paid the minimum wage. £56/£6 = 9ish hours, so one day's labour. Potentially more if you take into account other benefits.

Other benefits such as? JSA by the way is not £56 you must be thinking of the under 25's is it?

People on the NMW who only earn £56 a week get other benefits on top of that too so what to do there?

BurnleyBob

Denning. wrote: »

They will be paid the minimum wage. £56/£6 = 9ish hours, so one day's labour. Potentially more if you take into account other benefits.

That equation would have some merit but for the other 26 hours per week to be devoted to work related activity which comes in at around 70p per hour for over 25s and 0p per hour for under 25s.

UK wages decline among worst in Europe - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23655605

Denning.

BurnleyBob wrote: »

That equation would have some merit but for the other 26 hours per week to be devoted to work related activity which comes in at around 70p per hour for over 25s and 0p per hour for under 25s.

UK wages decline among worst in Europe - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23655605

Work related activity? You mean look for a job? Why should you be given NMW for that? I don't get NMW whilst looking for a job, no one does or should.

It is not unreasonable to demand people who claim benefits to work to pay for them. There is still more than ample time to find work and better themselves.

Denning.

AP007 wrote: »

Other benefits such as? JSA by the way is not £56 you must be thinking of the under 25's is it?

People on the NMW who only earn £56 a week get other benefits on top of that too so what to do there?

So it is £56, that is the least a claimant will get, hence I used that figure. You should work in relation to how much benefit you earn to make it fair. 18 year old on JSA only does 1 day. Someone on the full shabang should do 3 days.

AP007

Denning. wrote: »

So it is £56, that is the least a claimant will get, hence I used that figure. You should work in relation to how much benefit you earn to make it fair. 18 year old on JSA only does 1 day. Someone on the full shabang should do 3 days.

That is the full shebang for an 18 year old.

So someone who gets housing and council tax and child benefit and JSA for an over 25 should do more?

Ah I fall in the middle somewhere as I don't get that at all and there are people in work who get more benefits than a lot on JSA actually.

BurnleyBob

Denning. wrote: »

Work related activity? You mean look for a job? Why should you be given NMW for that? I don't get NMW whilst looking for a job, no one does or should.

It is not unreasonable to demand people who claim benefits to work to pay for them. There is still more than ample time to find work and better themselves.

85% of UK households are in receipt of benefits. Six million of those households are pensioner ones. What, in your world, should State Pension recipients be tasked with for what they pocket?

AP007

BurnleyBob wrote: »

85% of UK households are in receipt of benefits. Six million of those households are pensioner ones. What, in your world, should State Pension recipients be tasked with for what they pocket?

Oh I think that's fair as there are people in work too with tax credits, housing, free NHS prescriptions (not having to wait 6 mths like the ones on JSA), council tax reductions for the disabled etc