After the Work Programme

AP007

mattcanary wrote: »

Yeah, you're right.

Foot in mouth syndrome. I'm rather prone to it. Speak before thinking sometimes!

Indeed - the JC cant stop it and have no advice

Tell people on here the reply you get for job averts and they say you are doing something wrong LOL

sensibleadvice

imatt wrote: »

Are you receiving Nectar points for posting on this thread? For one can only think this is the main reason you spend so much time on here. You really are coming across as a repetitive bore.


Since you like to offer 'advice' (stop laughing at the back) and you claim to be able to offer interviews, just what do you do for a living?

It's your prerogative to post. Or not. You've chosen to post but there's nothing constructive by any means.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=64419647&postcount=2069

What do you do for a living?

sensibleadvice

Morglin wrote: »

To begin with I have never claimed the dole and am a taxpayer (a heavily taxed taxpayer!), but your comments puzzle me.

If no one expects the JCP advisors or the WP's to actually assist the claimants towards a job, what am I, and others, paying for?

I worked for the DWP/JCP, during our last recession, in the 80's. We were expected to contact employers, arrange interviews, and generally assist they person into work where possible.

The jobs were displayed on boards, within the JC, and before they were advertised, they were checked out to ensure they were genuine jobs.

Yet, we now read that Channel 4 has discovered a very large number of 'jobs' advertised on UJM are phoney and/or scams - what use is that, to either the taxpayer or the claimant? :think:

The facts are, that the welfare system has been sent into a near total collapse by this idiotic government not reforming things properly. :wall:

Statistics are being juggled, false jobs are being invented, there are numerous court actions and enquiries going on, and still the welfare bill keeps rising.:mad:

WP's are paid, when they achieve nothing of value, and the whole thing has turned into a war of attrition. Advisors are doling out sanctions like confetti, and the rest of the system has to pick up the cost of it.

Anyone that can work should work, but quite honestly, the government and their not so bright ideas, are the main hindrance to this happening

Lin

I generally find your posts constructive and valid. However, the reality is we do many things on the Internet now where we once physically went somewhere...banks, shopping, research and job seeking all done online. With that come other issues; issues that mean people have to use common sense. Would you go to the library to research something or perhaps take a chance, use google and consider the results on their merits?

imatt

sensibleadvice wrote: »

It's your prerogative to post. Or not. You've chosen to post but there's nothing constructive by any means.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=64419647&postcount=2069

What do you do for a living?

You're the one with all the 'sensible advice' and offers of help to round here, hence my question. Considering you're one of the most prolific posters on this thread, just what are you trying to achieve? Especially since you are making judgements based on pure ignorance of how agencies such as JCP work and schemes like the WP operate. I guess your limitations and the gaps in your knowledge explain your repetition.

If you are a logistics manager, God alone knows how you get anything done considering the time you waste here repeating yourself in the guise of offering said advice. You really are a bore.

What I do for a living is irrelevant in this context.

sensibleadvice

Morglin wrote: »

Well, it sure worked better than today's expensive and crazy system!

Dismal Duncan Smith strikes again, and, as a side issue, there is now an officila enquiry starting (again) into the chaos with ESA and ATOS. :wall:

Lin

I wonder if the web was around in the 80's if people would be moaning about YTS, YOP etc on forums.

And be using it to bounce ideas around of how to do the minimum possible to still get benefits.

Of course people could still walk employer to employer to find work but instead choose to spend their time complaining about lack of opportunities on a forum.

sensibleadvice

BillJones wrote: »

Again, Podge52 can't be expected to find a job themselves, he or she should be entitled to sit on their !!!! all day long, and have someone else find a job for them.

You don't understand, people like Podge52 never had any chances in life. I mean yes, they had free schooling from age 5 to age 18, subsidized classes and university after that, and a generous safety net if they still needed help, but other than that, what were they given?

No, it's not possibly their fault that they are unemployed, it is yours, and mine, and we should be ashamed that we aren't doing more for them.

You forgot you should also be ashamed for being employed and offering the benefit of your experience and advice on how you got there. That makes you smug and heaven forbid any advice to these sensitive souls suggests it may be beneficial to consider their own failings.

sensibleadvice

mattcanary wrote: »

Was it sensibleadvice who gave you that last piece of feedback?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Comprehesion not one of your strengths then.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/64522225#Comment_64522225

mattcanary

sensibleadvice wrote: »

You forgot you should also be ashamed for being employed and offering the benefit of your experience and advice on how you got there. That makes you smug and heaven forbid any advice to these sensitive souls suggests it may be beneficial to consider their own failings.

Since when has Bill Jones offered any advice?
He just likes taking the !!!!

AP007

sensibleadvice wrote: »

You forgot you should also be ashamed for being employed and offering the benefit of your experience and advice on how you got there. That makes you smug and heaven forbid any advice to these sensitive souls suggests it may be beneficial to consider their own failings.

How do you think some of us 'got there' you know when we had a job?

Oh yes I remember I was working in the strand and saw a job advertised at an agency over the road for a company near Borough Market. I called up and got an interview for the consultant to see me who sent me (booked an afternoon off) straight over to the company who offered me the job on the spot. Fast forward 5 years and then I was made redundant!

One application, one interview and one job - very easy back then when I had a job.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

the concern is unfair treatment, everyone should have the same expected of them where possible. why should one person have to do loads while another has to do hardly anything and for the same money.
sickness may well be very rare but it only takes one time. it is naive to have faith that they would show common sense. that is why you need to be protected by something in black and white.
i wasnt nasty and objectionable. i was asked if wanted to change anything and i questioned the possibility and gave the reasons why.

Claimants are treated on their merits that doesn't mean it's unfair. Advisors use judgement to determine what may be appropriate. Yo get something in black and white like job search is 7 days and moan that doesn't suit because advisors aren't there and you can't possibly take responsibility for your own job search over the weekend. You harp on about 'nasty' advisors when there's nothing to support such a claim. Constantly complain about why should the claimant do this or that whilst failing to acknowledge conditionality of JSA. Little wonder some people don't want to admit what a liability they are, even on an anon forum.