After the Work Programme

mro

csmw wrote: »

Thats just a generalisation there are thousands of advisors across the country, most just try to do the best job they can given what we have to deal with on a daily basis.

Agreed, but it does happen from experience.

It is difficult & tricky dealing with people face to face, but I have been surprised at how a question/comment/slight challenge can be seen as negative and the advisor becomes a bit defensive in not really wanting to listen or discuss.

Maybe that's just human nature.

csmw

mro wrote: »

Agreed, but it does happen from experience.

It is difficult & tricky dealing with people face to face, but I have been surprised at how a question/comment/slight challenge can be seen as negative and the advisor becomes a bit defensive in not really wanting to listen or discuss.

Maybe that's just human nature.

And I don't disagree, I seen some horrendous interviews and watched kick offs unfold which have in my opinion been the advisors fault.

However I feel the majority of the problems occur due to the customers... when we have to enforce business rules people take it personal and in turn rake it out on the advisors and then just expect us to take it

The_ICT_Engineer

Done a few checks on this site (searchjobvacancies.co.uk) and traced it to a flat in Glasgow. This is where it gets odd, as there is a company called Recruitment Drive UK (www.recruitment-drive.co.uk/)‎ which is in London. I would treat (searchjobvacancies.co.uk) as a scam site. As the Recruitment Drive site is quite well designed




Domain name:
searchjobvacancies.co.uk

Registrant:
Recruitment Drive UK
Registrant's address:
0/1 173 Kenmure Street
Glasgow
Scotland
G41 2LE
United Kingdom

sensibleadvice

csmw wrote: »

Yes you do you will not let go of the fact that I praised ap007 on the fact she grasps the correct concept of actively seeking. why is that so important to you???

There are lots of people who disagree with me on here so whether they do or don't is not my issue.

Where I react badly would be when people like yourself tempt to take digs because you don't like the information you are given, so in turn start taking digs and getting personal because of the job I do.

Anyway as I said yesterday you're boring me now so it's best you reffrain from comments towards me as I'm really not interesting in pursuing this little tut for tat argument you wish to have.

Most likely because they don't want to accept AP is doing what is expected in return for their JSA. You'd think they'd want to follow a good example and learn from it rather than pick fault with it. TBH, it's pretty much the same when discussing anything related to the workplace, they either don't want to know as it's not relevant or don't want to hear productive advice on getting back into work. Pretty shocking really given their track record.

Podge52

csmw wrote: »

Thats just a generalisation there are thousands of advisors across the country, most just try to do the best job they can given what we have to deal with on a daily basis.

I agree that you put up with a lot of !!!!, far more than I have to deal with.
My point was, If you're not the sort of person that can handle the abuse then you really shouldn't be in the job, especially when you're recommendation can influence if a person is sanctioned or not.

If you can't remain professional then you have no right working there.

Not you personally.

SJ32116

The_ICT_Engineer wrote: »

Done a few checks on this site (searchjobvacancies.co.uk) and traced it to a flat in Glasgow. This is where it gets odd, as there is a company called Recruitment Drive UK (www.recruitment-drive.co.uk/)‎ which is in London. I would treat (searchjobvacancies.co.uk) as a scam site. As the Recruitment Drive site is quite well designed




Domain name:
searchjobvacancies.co.uk

Registrant:
Recruitment Drive UK
Registrant's address:
0/1 173 Kenmure Street
Glasgow
Scotland
G41 2LE
United Kingdom

Very interesting. It's beyond all doubt now then that it's not legitimate. It certainly gives me some extra evidence to refuse to apply for their "jobs".

I'm just a bit concerned that I might find myself in a situation where it's give my details to these jokers or be sanctioned. I'll have to take it up with his manager if he pushes the issue of me applying for it I guess but then there's the risk of getting sanctioned in retaliation if he gets a warning off his boss.

Really is beyond ridiculous that they're basically forcing people to use Universal Jobmatch yet don't police the posting of jobs in any way.

AndyB1984

SJ32116 wrote: »

Very interesting. It's beyond all doubt now then that it's not legitimate. It certainly gives me some extra evidence to refuse to apply for their "jobs".

I'm just a bit concerned that I might find myself in a situation where it's give my details to these jokers or be sanctioned. I'll have to take it up with his manager if he pushes the issue of me applying for it I guess but then there's the risk of getting sanctioned in retaliation if he gets a warning off his boss.

Really is beyond ridiculous that they're basically forcing people to use Universal Jobmatch yet don't police the posting of jobs in any way.

I think you could argue that since the site has no privacy policy there is no guarantee that your information would be secure, which would likely have implications under the data protection act.

The DWP privacy statement does state:

"Links to other websites

The DWP website contains links to other sites. This privacy policy applies only to the Universal Jobmatch site. When you move to another website, you will need to read the privacy statement of that site." (From the Universal Job Match Privacy Policy)

Add to that the terrible design, video adverts(possibly making ad revenue for each person that visits?), no job reference code field, multiple spam vacancies on UJM (really wish there was a way to filter out obvious scam employers and apprenticeships on UJM).

I think you would be able resist any pressure to apply by stating that you fear they are trying to farm your details for identity fraud or CV farming purposes, which would mean that it cannot be classed as a "reasonable job opportunity".

I haven't applied for those reasons but I have not had an adviser suggest any of those "Search Jobs" vacancies to me, if they did I would list the same arguments I have supplied above.

AP007

SJ32116 wrote: »

Very interesting. It's beyond all doubt now then that it's not legitimate. It certainly gives me some extra evidence to refuse to apply for their "jobs".

I'm just a bit concerned that I might find myself in a situation where it's give my details to these jokers or be sanctioned. I'll have to take it up with his manager if he pushes the issue of me applying for it I guess but then there's the risk of getting sanctioned in retaliation if he gets a warning off his boss.

Really is beyond ridiculous that they're basically forcing people to use Universal Jobmatch yet don't police the posting of jobs in any way.

Report the job on the UJM with this info

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

No you just like their comments

yes i like some of their comments. i like comments by you sometimes also.

donnajunkie

SJ32116 wrote: »

I have a question about the work programme and I guess this is the best thread since people who have completed the work programme will have been on it for 2 years and have plenty of experience of it.

Can my Work Programme advisor force me to apply for a job?

I was doing a "structured job search" today and the advisor saw me looking at a job listed by Search Jobs on Universal Jobmatch. I went to apply by clicking through to their website and then saw it was one of the worse websites I'd ever seen and was asking me to copy and paste my CV into a text box rather than upload it as an attachment. Their website also has pretty much nothing on it on the homepage other than a google search and one "featured job". With this in mind I came to the conclusion that it's not a legitimate site.

Here is an example of one of their application pages, you'll be able to see why I'm suspicious of it. http://www.searchjobvacancies.co.uk/waiting-staff-apply.html

When I handed in my job search log to my advisor he asked why the job from Search Jobs wasn't listed and I told him I hadn't applied due to my concerns I mentioned above. He then said I had to apply for it as I was failing to apply for a reasonable job opportunity. I stated again that I thought it was at best a data gathering exercise and possibly even a scam.

I didn't get to ask him anything else as he started raising his voice to me so I told him that although I'm unemployed I don't deserve to be spoken to in an aggressive way and that the conversation would end there (it was the end of the session anyway).

Can he force me to apply for it? He strikes me as the kind of guy who is petty enough to make me apply for it if he can.

if it were me i would have fibbed and said i had applied.