After the Work Programme

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

they said they can mandate a job that finishes at 2.30pm if you have a limit of 2pm. i agreed that if they said would you be willing to apply for that job then its ok for them to do that. mandating them to do it is wrong. theres a reason why the person has put the limit at 2pm and not 2.30pm. if 2.30pm was ok they would have put that. unless they are clueless they would win any appeal.

I didn't see mandate in that post, i saw reasonable. Strange you perceived something that wasn't said.

csmw

donnajunkie wrote: »

you would have to prove they saw them surely? the fact that they should have been able to find them isnt proof they did. secondly you are supposed to be willing to do all jobs you can do. i have never seen anything saying you must apply for every job you can do. you are taking liberties here and must be sanctioning every person you see if you really follow this line. do you realise how many catalogue distributor jobs on ujm there are? legally you must fulfill your jsa agreement and if you can prove you are doing that i cant see a sanction sticking.

well considering i have a 95% adverse decision rate, my referrals are always appropriate. I don't sanction people willy nilly you know. And where have I stated someone needs to apply for every job they see.
I'm simply pointing out the disparity between when a customer says they have done everything they can and apply for 5 then I look and can find lots more they could have reasonably applied for over a 2 week period.

csmw

donnajunkie wrote: »

the log sheets you get dont require you to specify if a job app was a spec or not. if you were legally required to do both then there would be a space to specify.
if someone stops applying once they reach their quota as you put it then it is none of your or the jobcentres business. has the person fulfilled whats expected is what they look for. anything they do after that is between them and the employers.

The log sheets you love to talk about are specific to your JC. The ones we have at mine I designed so really is irrelevant

csmw

iammumtoone wrote: »

On your jsag what number is in the box on the top right that states write to at least x employers per week? I believe that is the number of spec letters you should be sending however my adviser said that job applicators count in that figure as well. I have learnt via these boards that I was told incorrectly.

No you wasn't told incorrectly, its just how your advisor interprets it. I do the same as long as the info is written communication with an employer its acceptable to me.

AP007

sensibleadvice wrote: »

I don't like or dislike anyone on here, because its a mostly anon online forum.

I agree people deserve the !!!! they get from JC, not sure why you'd think otherwise?

I don't think otherwise I said they deserve it as they seem to think as its not written down don't do it. They seem to think I am making up the part when I say the JC are not hassling me at all.

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

the log sheets you get dont require you to specify if a job app was a spec or not. if you were legally required to do both then there would be a space to specify.
if someone stops applying once they reach their quota as you put it then it is none of your or the jobcentres business. has the person fulfilled whats expected is what they look for. anything they do after that is between them and the employers.

csmw wrote: »

The log sheets you love to talk about are specific to your JC. The ones we have at mine I designed so really is irrelevant

donnajunkie can you tell us all the headings for the sheets or booklets you fill in?

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

Well if you have the booklet called ES4JP 01/04 where it says

WHAT I DID

You are meant to say

I looked on Reed, date 24th Jan 14, What happened I found a job for Admin Asst ref 12345abc, What will I do I applied to ABC agency via the Reed site and will follow up, when 30th Jan

you can put what you wish. well put it this way i've had no issues with what i put.

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

you can put what you wish. well put it this way i've had no issues with what i put.

Really? Wow! Your JC are really on the ball ! LOL

Maybe they are not even looking at them

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

So your JSA says nothing at all about applying for real job adverts or spec letters?

it has the bit where it states how many i have to write to but that is open to interpretation because whether advertised or not you are writing to them. when i record my jobs on the sheets if its a ujm job i put the job id. if anything else like a spec i just put the job title, employer and date.

donnajunkie

iammumtoone wrote: »

On your jsag what number is in the box on the top right that states write to at least x employers per week? I believe that is the number of spec letters you should be sending however my adviser said that job applicators count in that figure as well. I have learnt via these boards that I was told incorrectly.

because it doesnt specify spec or advertised they are allowing you to interpret that as you wish. they cant say it means something it doesnt actually say and get away with it. people arent mind readers. if you are right and it means spec then think about how that fits with a poster saying a person only doing specs is a sanctionable offence.