After the Work Programme

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

It says it on my JSA to apply for 10 actual jobs at least per week then there is a list of other things they expect to see.

But then its common sense to actually try to apply for real jobs.

there is space where they can specify something like that but if they dont put it in that box then there isnt anything saying that. theres a bit saying you must write to so many per week. this could easily be specs.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

theres nothing wrong with your determination but you do go over the top. the reason a poster thinks you would be a good adviser is because they think theres a good chance you would be unreasonable and be sanctioning people all day long.

Nothing unreasonable about being determined and looking for work. Nothing unreasonable about an advisor expecting the same.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

They didn't say anything about mandating applications outside hours. They were talking about reasonableness. Why would a claimant want to unreasonably turn an opportunity down if the hours were just outside what they'd specified but could ultimately manage around?

You see how easy it is for a claimant who is unaware of what is actually being said to nit pick, get it all around their neck then blame someone else for their lack of comprehension.

if you are saying its ok to suggest that then i agree. they didnt say that though. they said they could mandate a person to apply for a job outside of the agreed hours.

donnajunkie

red_devil wrote: »

I cant believe anybody would apply for spec ones only and not fill out the applied for jobs.

i know someone who applied for 6 jobs and the on spec ones and they lied and said he hadnt applied for any advertised vacancies. Luckily he could prove he had. What is going on with the jc are they lying or are they incompetent.

well the debated point isnt whether its right to just do specs. it is whether there is a rule saying only applying for specs equals sanction.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

there is space where they can specify something like that but if they dont put it in that box then there isnt anything saying that. theres a bit saying you must write to so many per week. this could easily be specs.

You realise, as the poster says its common sense to actually try to apply for real jobs?

Do you stop applying when you've reached your quota despite the fact there may be opportunities that you subsequently miss out on?

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Nothing unreasonable about being determined and looking for work. Nothing unreasonable about an advisor expecting the same.

they choose to spend all day xmas day jobsearching and think its wrong of anyone who doesnt. they think a jobseeker shouldnt have any free time at all.

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

there is space where they can specify something like that but if they dont put it in that box then there isnt anything saying that. theres a bit saying you must write to so many per week. this could easily be specs.

So any old idiot can just say 'oh I didn't know I actually had to apply for jobs'?

If anyone is seriously saying this then they will have no place in the work place as they really must be that dim!

The lowest amount of jobs I applied for in a 7 day period was the week of Xmas 2012 and that was 13! I still however managed to apply for 34 over the 14 day period and 10 spec letters.

I do not believe there is not one person who really needs telling to apply for a job!

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

they choose to spend all day xmas day jobsearching and think its wrong of anyone who doesnt. they think a jobseeker shouldnt have any free time at all.

Yes THEY chose to job search on Xmas day as its a normal day for job searching and should not be treated any differently just likes Gay guys post once about job seeking at the sodding weekends!

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

if you are saying its ok to suggest that then i agree. they didnt say that though. they said they could mandate a person to apply for a job outside of the agreed hours.

You interpreted "Sticking reasonably within your guideline.... but they couldn't match you to a 9 till 5." as mandated?

red_devil

My advisor did say you didnt have to look on xmas day. Who knows these days who is right. There are so many lies around and mistakes.