After the Work Programme

donnajunkie

csmw wrote: »

Admit what that there are some bad advisors out there...even I think everyone is fully aware of that.

and this is a reason to not allow access wouldnt you agree?

donnajunkie

csmw wrote: »

Read the 1st line in my post.

My point is if you really just want to work, why spend valuable time wasting it in just trying to be difficult with the advisor over access. I really don't see what the big deal.

You seem to think giving access makes it easier to impose a sanction, or the only reason an advisor needs access is to sanction. Which it just nonsense.

no time is wasted. you just dont tick the box when you register and then forget about it.

sniggings

Morglin wrote: »

But this 'privacy/why should we give them access'? argument puzzles me a little - in order to get ANY benefit, we have to all give over private information, much of it personal stuff.

With my ESA and DLA, I have had to disclose and verify very, very personal stuff, that I would sooner not have!:eek:

But, it is a condition of payment that I do that, and allow them unfettered access to my medical records as and when they like.

It's part of the deal, I'm afraid.

Lin

I was with you to this point...No it's not part of the deal, that's the whole point, if it's so important they have access change the rules, it's quite simple.

To claim JSA you have to seek employment, not have someone watching every more you make.

As you say we all know the site is near enough a waste of time, yet they use that site to make sure we are following the rules, applying for the crap that is on there, when I put in my postcode the first 3 pages are Avon and leaflets delivery jobs, with a good helping of apprenticeships, the rest are not much better, yet I have to apply for every one of those jobs if I'm able to do it.

The advisers job is not to help anyone back into work, if you believe other side that you are kidding yourself, it's to make sure we follow the rules, so why would we allow access to another tool for them to make sure we are following the rules?

Your argument seems to be based on, others get access toprivate info so why not JSA advisers, instead how about trying to come up with an argument that explains why they so need this access, I have to search for a job fulltime, yet an adviser how is lucky to get 5 mins spare between claimants, I'm accepted to believe they want access to help me :rotfl: pull the other one, we both knows it's to police us.

donnajunkie

Podge52 wrote: »

The only reason I can see for allowing your advisor access to your ujm account is to make it easier for the advisor to track your activity.

If there are other reasons I'd be interested to hear them.

they can send you messages. they could send you a message saying contact me urgently about this job and if you dont it will be sanction time. my adviser was miffed because it makes it harder for them to refer me onto a course. why would i make it easier for them to put me on a course i dont want to do?

sniggings

Morglin wrote: »

I am not feeding anyone - the Government and DWP lay down the regulations and rules for claiming x benefit. The staff follow the rules, and claimants have to do the same.

Staff have to obtain the things the rules/regulations require, and in the case of JSA, it's about working towards getting a job - a phone, email and CV are things that would obviously be required, as part of that process.

Previously, the things you list would have been enough, but now claimants have to prove their willingness by providing extra info. than before.

If a claimant wishes to refuse to supply them, that's fine, but they will be subject to sanction, so up to them.

The primary condition of JSA is that a claimant shows they are actively job seeking - and that means proving it. It might be strict, it might be all sorts of things, but that is how it is, and it will not get any easier.

The system might be crap, worthless etc., but it's what we have got at the moment.

Of course, a claimant can also choose to close their claim, if they want to.

To be honest, years ago, if you went for a job anywhere, you always had to show your CV and give a phone number, so what's the big deal with it?

If it comes to it, set up a Mail account just for this process, then they haven't got your personal one, a phone number is obvious and so is a CV.

I have to supply a phone number and a mail addy for my ESA, despite it being nothing to do with my health.

I cannot see the problem with them checking x amount of jobs have been applied for either.

Lin

so like it or close your claim.

Facts are you do not have to allow them to have access, if it was the case you would not have to give your permission.

You are obviously quite happy with your pension that the tories are not going near as people like you vote for them. So the rest of us have to pay the price and get this rubbish from he likes of you.

You are clearly a person with no integrity as this post shows.

donnajunkie

stix62 wrote: »

I doubt anyone has a problem with them having access if it was ONLY to look at recorded job seeking activities.
The reason I won't allow access is because an advisor can message you about a job or recommend you apply for one (through UJM) and if you don't act on that you will be sanctioned.

If it wasn't for that one and only reason I would have no problems whatsoever allowing access.

even if its to look at your jobsearch activity only you shouldnt. what if your agreement says will access everyday and then one day you are ill?

sniggings

tomterm8 wrote: »

As a rule I think most of them want to help you. They have to follow the rules just like everyone else, though, and if you go out of the way to be a pain in the... posterior... or you catch someone in a bad mood, or their boss has just made it plain they'll be the unemployed person if they don't sanction more people...

Sometimes, we live in the world we live in. Not the world we should live in.

sad you believe you have to sanction someone because your boss wants you to, enjoy your wage, you have clearly earned it.

stix62

donnajunkie wrote: »

no time is wasted. you just dont tick the box when you register and then forget about it.

It's not that easy - they use underhand tactics remember

It's an 'opt out' system. The box is already ticked and you have to go into your profile and untick it!

donnajunkie

stix62 wrote: »

It's not that easy - they use underhand tactics remember

It's an 'opt out' system. The box is already ticked and you have to go into your profile and untick it!

the poster seemed to be assuming not allowing access consumes great amounts of time.

csmw

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

It certainly is, as are you!

Very adult of you!