Housing Association residents disrupting quiet estate

demontfort

mrginge wrote: »

Where would you like these people to live?

Judging by his quote here:

"However, in our case, this is an upmarket estate, made of 180 homes, vast communal gardens, a pond, a gym etc. One third of homes is HA, due to council planning permission rules.

The private homes are expensive, starting at £350,000 for a flat up to £1.2M for a house."

I think Mr Tomato was hoping that because he shelled out £350k plus to live on an upmarket estate in London he'd have Wills and Kate and The Sultan of Brunei as next door neighbours. Clearly the upmarket pond isn't a big enough draw for royalty. Hey you have to laugh. :rotfl:

Own_My_Own

olly300 wrote: »

You are such a narrow minded snob.

Some of the worse parents I see are in my area and they are own their houses privately. They think like you they are entitled to do anything, let their children do anything and talk down to people who don't look like them and/or sound like them.

They get horrified when they find out some of the people who don't look like them and/or sound like them are home owners and vice versa.

Couldn't agree more.

I bumped into a teacher today, that I onced worked with in a school in quite an afluant area. The school has just gone into special measures, and nobody can believe it.

I pointed out to her, that had the behaviour I had witnessed there been in a deprived area it would have been put down to bad parenting. But as all the parents there had money, it was always seen as the children expressing themselves.

Tancred

skylight wrote: »

We are in a new-build mini estate in a town with the similar issues. Its the "owned" homes that have music blaring out of windows until silly o'clock, engines revving while they are being fixed at stupid o'clock and kids screaming on trampolines at daft o'clock. Some are miserable, inconsiderate little sods - and they are not cheap owned homes either. I have tried to be community minded and asked the worst offender as nicely as I could to turn it down when it gets dark and was told to pee off back to where I came from. (I'm White British, with a bit of a plummy accent, so assume he meant back to my "social housing"). Lovely.

I assume that most of the people causing the problems are of foreign descent? That wouldn't surprise me. It's fashionable to bash poor white British people (the so-called Chavs) but if you dare criticise anyone from overseas then you get tarred with the racism brush. From personal experience many of the social problems are caused by people with very different cultures to our own.

Tancred

sebtomato wrote: »

Well, clearly you are struggling to read a single basic paragraph.

My point, to simplify just for you, is that money does not make people behave better or gives them education. However, people who start from nothing and end up with some money are usually not the ones with anti social behavior, and people with anti social behavior and no education usually don't end up making much money.

I can only talk about my own experience, and where I live, 99% of the anti social behavior, littering and yelling comes from the HA buildings. I think their residents don't like the private owners, and vice-versa. Different ways of living. Therefore, the council choice of 30% affordable housing in each estate does not really work.

I am surely not the one with a sense of entitlement.

The issue isn't necessarily money, it's education. Education and culture. Poor education breeds irregular low waged employment, social instability, broken families and all the bad things that follow on from that.

mrginge

Tancred wrote: »

I assume that most of the people causing the problems are of foreign descent? That wouldn't surprise me. It's fashionable to bash poor white British people (the so-called Chavs) but if you dare criticise anyone from overseas then you get tarred with the racism brush. From personal experience many of the social problems are caused by people with very different cultures to our own.

Tancred sinks to a new low. The most ill-informed and offensive carp I have read on this board for quite a while.

sebtomato

demontfort wrote: »

Moral of the story is:

Don't buy in an up and coming area of London and kid yourself that in 5 years you will be living in the new Notting Hill.

Completely the wrong conclusion I am afraid. This is not an up and coming area of London, nor a run down area, but a nice residential area in Surrey that has been that way for a long time. The estate is surrounded by leafy quiet streets, and a nice high street with independent shops and restaurants. No Pondland or 99p shop there. There is no anti social behaviour in the area, apart from my few neighbors.

So no, I didn't make a stupid mistake in buying a property in that estate or area, as I believe I am in a place matching my living expectations (i.e. nice and quiet). And BTW, property prices have increased by about 30% in the last three years, so sorry about your dumb investor conclusion. I don't know many investments doing better.

I am not British born, or even a British citizen. I believe the few families creating trouble and letting their kids trash the place are British.

This is not something to do with nationality, just something to do with lack of education, and probably resentment towards private owners, but then they should move out if they feel out of place, and the HA should ensure that the residents are going to fit in that estate/area.

Davesnave

sebtomato wrote: »

And BTW, property prices have increased by about 30% in the last three years, so sorry about your dumb investor conclusion. I don't know many investments doing better.

So, not much point in this thread, then. You are doing brilliantly. Well done!

sebtomato

Well, the point is a few people have moved in to the HA buildings recently, and are creating disruption. The manager does not do anything, so what are the legal options.

Refer to the first post of this thread, if you want to know the point of the thread...

Davesnave

sebtomato wrote: »

Well, the point is a few people have moved in to the HA buildings recently, and are creating disruption. The manager does not do anything, so what are the legal options.

Refer to the first post of this thread, if you want to know the point of the thread...

I know the point of this thread, and I hinted earlier that your best option is to gather evidence. The more people who do this the better.

It might therefore help if all the residents were invited to form an Association, which could liaise with the Housing Manager, rather than individuals apparently going DIY. This would put things on a much more formal basis and ensure everyone's views were being properly represented.

The Housing Manager has limited legal options to evict tenants. The residents could only hope to make a challenge against the HA after providing sufficient evidence to warrant an eviction. I fear you're a long way from there at present!

demontfort

sebtomato wrote: »

Completely the wrong conclusion I am afraid. This is not an up and coming area of London, nor a run down area, but a nice residential area in Surrey that has been that way for a long time. The estate is surrounded by leafy quiet streets, and a nice high street with independent shops and restaurants. No Pondland or 99p shop there. There is no anti social behaviour in the area, apart from my few neighbors.

So no, I didn't make a stupid mistake in buying a property in that estate or area, as I believe I am in a place matching my living expectations (i.e. nice and quiet). And BTW, property prices have increased by about 30% in the last three years, so sorry about your dumb investor conclusion. I don't know many investments doing better.

I am not British born, or even a British citizen. I believe the few families creating trouble and letting their kids trash the place are British.

This is not something to do with nationality, just something to do with lack of education, and probably resentment towards private owners, but then they should move out if they feel out of place, and the HA should ensure that the residents are going to fit in that estate/area.

There's nowt wrong with 99p stores they can be good for picking up cheap essentials, certainly better than all the independent stores selling organic candles and Himalayan baby clothing. You should broaden your mind and give them a go.

Other option is to sell up and go and live in Monaco with your illusory 30% property profit, no HA riff raff there one would hope.