Housing Association residents disrupting quiet estate

mrginge

gazter wrote: »

Really? You dont believe this is the case? Get yourself over to sunderland, newcastle, liverpool, leeds. There are no shortage of streets of social housing emptied due to anti social behaviour.

This is garbage.

My dad owned a house on a street that by the end of it, he was the only person left, as he had bought his, and the rest were council housing. That street had to be knocked down for no other purpose that people would no longer live there.

This would suggest that your dad was the cause of the problem....

sebtomato

leveller2911 wrote: »

And there is the crux........Typical of todays materialistic Society.Its all about investment value and little else.......

Well no, it's not just about investment value, it's also about quality of life, as I live in the place I bought.

But I don't see what's wrong in wanting my property to at least retain its value: I paid for the deposit myself (by saving for a long time, and not spending all my money each month. I know, crazy) and I am paying the mortgage each month by going to work. Nobody gave me any money or benefits, nobody is paying my mortgage.

If the HA does not want to manage those buildings properly, and it has some impact on the value of my private property, then I should be able to sue them for the loss of value. This would surely force them to take some actions as it would hurt financially.

leveller2911 wrote: »

If all of the Social Housing residents had the Right to buy and did so but were still neighbours from hell would it make any difference ?.

Well, if the Social Housing residents had to the right to buy, they would also want the value of their investment to remain, and therefore would probably behave better, and get their neighbors to behave better. Also, they would pay service charges and therefore would care about the cost of litter picking or cleaning. I think it would make people more accountable.

leveller2911

sebtomato wrote: »

Nobody gave me any money or benefits, nobody is paying my
mortgage.

What are you trying to say? Tenants don't work and receive benefits whereas you work bloody hard?........ Join the club my friend, the vast majority of the population work hard.

If the HA does not want to manage those buildings properly, and it has some
impact on the value of my private property, then I should be able to sue them
for the loss of value.

If you don't want neighbours infringing on your peace and quiet then perhaps you should have bought a house in the country away from people. Why should it matter who owns the properties or have tenants? if the nusance is a problem then inform the local Council and they will investigate and see if the people causing the problem are breaking any laws,if not then you have the option to move to the country or live with it. With regards to the "value of your investment falling" then I'm afraid thats tough luck. You wouldn't complain if the neighbours were angels and actually increased the value of your property....

Well, if the Social Housing residents had to the right to buy, they would also
want the value of their investment to remain, and therefore would probably
behave better, and get their neighbors to behave better. Also, they would pay
service charges and therefore would care about the cost of litter picking or
cleaning...

Rubbish, I know a handful of people who own their properties outright with no mortgages and the the Police are still regular visitors for anti Social behaviour. There are anti Social types everywhere ,wealth doesn't make a persons character better.
Just to educate you the vast majority of Social housing tenants do pay a service charge ,its usually included within the rent.

sebtomato

I asked some kids from the HA building: one said his father was in jail, one said his father didn't work. I guess a very small sample, but not everybody seems to be working hard.

I don't believe in tough luck, and I don't believe in a few individuals creating trouble for the larger group of residents.

leveller2911 wrote: »

Just to educate you the vast majority of Social housing tenants do pay a service charge ,its usually included within the rent.

It's a separate line item on the monthly rent to pay? Because service charges do vary all the time, so if the rent does not, then I guess it's a fixed contribution to service charges rather than service charges.

Wealth does not make a character better indeed. However, wealth might be an indication or the outcome of better behavior, education and ability to have a normal social behavior and go to work each day, as opposed to relying on benefits, throwing garbage outside, and yelling at kids (no wealth comes from that). If those people with no education were winning the lottery, they wouldn't behave any better.

olly300

sebtomato wrote: »

Wealth does not make a character better indeed. However, wealth might be an indication or the outcome of better behavior, education and ability to have a normal social behavior and go to work each day, as opposed to relying on benefits, throwing garbage outside, and yelling at kids (no wealth comes from that). If those people with no education were winning the lottery, they wouldn't behave any better.

You are such a narrow minded snob.

Some of the worse parents I see are in my area and they are own their houses privately. They think like you they are entitled to do anything, let their children do anything and talk down to people who don't look like them and/or sound like them.

They get horrified when they find out some of the people who don't look like them and/or sound like them are home owners and vice versa.

sebtomato

olly300 wrote: »

You are such a narrow minded snob.

Well, clearly you are struggling to read a single basic paragraph.

My point, to simplify just for you, is that money does not make people behave better or gives them education. However, people who start from nothing and end up with some money are usually not the ones with anti social behavior, and people with anti social behavior and no education usually don't end up making much money.

I can only talk about my own experience, and where I live, 99% of the anti social behavior, littering and yelling comes from the HA buildings. I think their residents don't like the private owners, and vice-versa. Different ways of living. Therefore, the council choice of 30% affordable housing in each estate does not really work.

I am surely not the one with a sense of entitlement.

demontfort

Moral of the story is:

Don't buy in an up and coming area of London and kid yourself that in 5 years you will be living in the new Notting Hill. Nearly every part of inner London and large parts of outer London are rife with social problems. If you can't deal with it go and live in Bognor Regis.

I've said it before and 'll say it again, a lot of London buyers are dumb and see these rundown areas through rose tinted glasses and so foolishly pay silly money to live in glorified slums.The only saving grace for these London FTB is that in a few years time they may find somebody even dumber than themselves to take their overpriced rathole off their hands.

For example I got a friend who just spent £250k, yes £250k on a 1 bed newbuild in the quaintly titled Kidbrooke village. This is a redevelopment of the massive Ferrier council estate in a down at heel part of South East London. Good luck with that one. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

moremore

Instead of coming on here moaning why not get a petition going with the rest of community and send it off the offenders Landlords of the people that are giving you so much grief. Be proactive about the offenders regardless who their landlord are.

mrginge

Where would you like these people to live?

olly300

sebtomato wrote: »

Well, clearly you are struggling to read a single basic paragraph.

This proves you have issues.

sebtomato wrote: »

My point, to simplify just for you, is that money does not make people behave better or gives them education.

You don't need to simplify anything for me.

You seem to make assumptions like some of the people I mentioned on my post.

sebtomato wrote: »

However, people who start from nothing and end up with some money are usually not the ones with anti social behavior, and people with anti social behavior and no education usually don't end up making much money.

You obviously haven't met the people I have.

People treat you differently due to your age, race, and gender then change again once they realise what your education you have and what your job is.

sebtomato wrote: »

I can only talk about my own experience, and where I live, 99% of the anti social behavior, littering and yelling comes from the HA buildings. I think their residents don't like the private owners, and vice-versa. Different ways of living. Therefore, the council choice of 30% affordable housing in each estate does not really work.

I've always lived around a mixture of home owners, private tenants and social tenants.

I actually bother trying to talk to my neighbours.

Social tenants and home owners tend to be as good and as bad as each other.

Some of the older people I know actually were social tenants in their time and came from wealthy backgrounds.

Private tenants who only intend to be in a place for up to a year can be the nastiest and/or the most disruptive people ever.

sebtomato wrote: »

I am surely not the one with a sense of entitlement.

Your posts read differently.