results day!

regularsaver1

Its your opinion of her grade. Why are you changing it back to the uni!?!

Blacksheep1979

First Class
First class answers demonstrate depth of knowledge or problem solving skills which is
beyond that expected from a careful and conscientious understanding of the lecture
material.
Answers will show that the student:
• has a comprehensive knowledge of a topic (often beyond that covered directly
in the programme) with an absence of misunderstandings;
• is able to apply critical analysis and evaluation;
• can solve unfamiliar problems not drawn directly from lecture material and can
adjust problem solving procedures as appropriate to the problem;
• can set out reasoning and explanation in a logical, incisive and literate style


Upper Second
Upper second class answers provide a clear impression of competence and show that
the student:
• has a good knowledge base and understanding of all the principal subject
matter in the programme;
• can solve familiar problems with ease and can make progress towards the
solution of unfamiliar problems;
• can set out reasoning and explanation in a clear and coherent manner


Lower Second
Lower second class answers will address a reasonable part of the question with
reasonable competence but may be partially incomplete or incorrect. The answer will
provide evidence that the student:
• has a satisfactory knowledge and understanding of the principal subject matter
of the programme but limited to lecture material and with some errors and
omissions;
• can solve familiar problems through application of standard procedures;
• can set out reasoning and explanation which, whilst lacking in directness and
clarity of presentation can nevertheless be followed and readily understood


Third Class
Third class answers will demonstrate some relevant knowledge but may fail to answer
the question directly and/or contain significant omissions or incorrect material.
Nevertheless, the answer will provide evidence that the student:
• has some basic knowledge and a limited understanding of the key aspects of
the lecture material;
• can attempt to solve familiar problems albeit inefficiently and with limited
success
Pass
Answers in the pass category represent the very minimum acceptable standard. Such
answers will contain very little appropriate material, major omissions and will be poorly
presented lacking in any coherent argument or understanding. However the answer
will suggest that the student:
• has some familiarity with the general subject area;
• whilst unable to solve problems can at least formulate a problem from
information given in a sensible manner.

Manchester uni handbook

As highlighted - basically says doesn't have full understanding of the material. Now this would either come from not reading it etc (not enough work) OR if they have done enough work and read everything they cannot understand or reproduce what is expected.

regularsaver1

so if you get a 1st in your 2nd year and a 2:2 in your 3rd year (for some reason ) and overall you get a 2:1 - or more so 2:2 because 3rd year is more heavily weighted, then you must be above overall?

and those that get 59.9% are not the same as those that get 60.1%?

Blacksheep1979

Obviously those who get less/more than others - no matter how small the difference are not the same.

Work in the 3rd year also tends to be more challenging than work in your 2nd year so should more clearly represent the calibre of the student.

regularsaver1

Maybe 1st's should be for 85% and above anyhow. I mean like 70% and above is not that high is it

I think thats why they are bringing in new A level - A star, instead of A

what-a-save

My son just got a 2:1 in Computer Science and Business at Warwick Uni.

Me and OH are well proud - He runs his own mobile disco business and that helped to finance him whilst doing his studies, and he did work hard.
People tell us he is a nice well rounded guy (not overweight !)
Yes you probably gathered we love him to bits.

Well done to everybody who achieved in their chosen subject. And good luck for the future.

Gingernutmeg

regularsaver1 wrote: »

Maybe 1st's should be for 85% and above anyhow. I mean like 70% and above is not that high is it

I think thats why they are bringing in new A level - A star, instead of A

So why isn't everyone getting a first then lol :rolleyes: You also have to remember that although in theory, marks are out of 100, it's very, very rare in most subjects (maths and science and excepted) to get over 70%.

And you can't compare A-Levels and a degree ... the kind of learning you do at A-Level is totally different to the much more self-directed and wider study needed to do well in a degree. One reason why the AEAs were introduced was to reward students who read around their subject, rather than just stuck rigidly to the syllabus.

BigBouncyBall

Gingernutmeg wrote: »

So why isn't everyone getting a first then lol :rolleyes: You also have to remember that although in theory, marks are out of 100, it's very, very rare in most subjects (maths and science and excepted) to get over 70%.

I've seen this sort of comment floating round a lot recently. I don't know where you get the impression that maths and science students can achieve 100% - i can assure you that it is not practically (though of course is theoretically) possible to get 100%. Its more how you answer the question, rather than the answer. Examiners are looking for clever shortcuts etc, thats what get the top marks.

I have never known anybody get over 90% in mathematics, let alone 100%!

Although i do accept that some subjects are almost impossible to gain 100% - i've never understood how 'art' is marked for example; if the examiner doesn't like your work you wont get the marks surely. Similarly subjects like English, creative writing etc i'd imagine are difficult to mark without bias or personal opinions

Gingernutmeg

I know someone who gained 96% in a stats class ...

In my experience, the gifted scientists and mathematicians that I've known HAVE managed to get way over 70% quite regularly, and it's not unheard of in the same way as it generally is in the arts, social sciences and humanities. I would hazard a guess that it's much 'easier' to gain the really high marks in maths than it is in music - I know someone who is a very talented concert level pianist who never got more than 65% for music during his whole degree. I've been told that to gain over 80% in the humanities (my area), your work needs to be of 'publishable' quality, although what that means I have no idea, but certainly it's hard to get higher than a low 70.

regularsaver1

Gingernutmeg wrote: »

So why isn't everyone getting a first then lol :rolleyes: You also have to remember that although in theory, marks are out of 100, it's very, very rare in most subjects (maths and science and excepted) to get over 70%.

And you can't compare A-Levels and a degree ... the kind of learning you do at A-Level is totally different to the much more self-directed and wider study needed to do well in a degree. One reason why the AEAs were introduced was to reward students who read around their subject, rather than just stuck rigidly to the syllabus.

I'm not comparing A level and degree. Someone was on about what people got at A level grade reflecting your degree grade, which is why I mentioned it.

and in regard to the percentages - the guardian article was saying that for a 1st you do not know if someone got 71% or 89%, which is more diverse than the range of 2:1 or 2:2 ect . In thwe news the other week they were saying that more and more get a A at A level and so they want to being in an A star to divide that up