PPC, UKPC fines not parked within lines!?

Hovite_2

Umkomaas wrote: »

!!!!!! - that bit of info from the OP at the start would have saved quite a few of us a bit of work, time we could have dedicated to others.

Thanks bod1467 for the heads up now on this, at least we can avoid any more effort.

Agree, in Scotland the option to ignore is a safer one than it is currently in England and Wales.

Wrong thread ?

waamo

fisherjim wrote: »

Where has the OP said this is a railway station?

Yup my mistake misread silverlink for silverline ooops.

Umkomaas

Hovite wrote: »

Wrong thread ?

No - I was actually replying to a post in this thread, but when I submitted the reply, the post had been deleted. Honest guv, and I've not touched a drop :beer:

Guys_Dad

Here is where you are at.

You parked in a way that contravened the conditions that the PPC display as part of their "parking management". No question

The PPC makes its money by charging people who contravene their "rules" and then pay up when send official-looking paperwork. You thought it was a fine.

Some PPCs do indeed, either on their own behalf or by using tame solicitors and debt collectors, send out a chain of letters and then give up. Others are getting militant and are actually going to the courts.

If you want to take the chance on whether the PPC will give up or go to court, then continue to ignore the various letters you will receive.

Until the beginning of this year, that was the general advice from here. But now we have POPLA and we are seeing lots of victories for motorists, even when they have broken the PPC rules. See for yourself in the POPLA DECISIONS stick at the head of this forum.

So, how do people win when they admit to "breaking the rules" set down by the PPC, particularly as POPLA comes froma position that parking charges, if correctly demanded, are liable?

It is because the PPCs don't do their preparatory work properly and are too careless in their POPLA preparations, or, indeed, don't have the authority from the land owner to pursue charges, and try to bluff it out. No POPLA decisions have gone in favour of the motorist based on mitigation (I stand to be corrected)

You will never win either at POPLA or in court with the content of your post. You need to put in a POPLA appeal, along the lines of the successful ones in the link I gave you. You will see there that almost all of the POPLA wins were won on what, for want of a better word, comes under the heading of "procedure".

Now read the sticky, and compose a draft POPLA appeal picking out the procedure points in the examples there (as many of them as you can apply) - use cut and paste - whilst admitting you parked badly.

You can also add the fact that a company has a duty of mitigation and, if the warden saw you making a hash of parking over 2 bays, he had a duty to inform you that you were contravening a PPC rule.

So, you have some work to do and come back, where we can help you.

Jay_wakaa

So it is not possible to just leave it? Ignore every letter ect?
The problem is I'm not illiterate at all, I will make some kind of mistake trying to ref-raise one of them, any suggestions?

Guys_Dad

Jay_wakaa wrote: »

So it is not possible to just leave it? Ignore every letter ect?
The problem is I'm not illiterate at all, I will make some kind of mistake trying to ref-raise one of them, any suggestions?

If you are unable to construct a POPLA appeal, then, candidly, you have no chance with a court appeal. So you are gambling on the PPC giving up - after a few letters ads discussed endlessly on here.

What I am suggesting is not difficult. Get someone to sit down with you to help and give you confidence.

You find a POPLA appeal that has been successful. You see the points that the appellant raised and you include them in your appeal. Also read here http://www.popla.org.uk/AnnualReport.htm I have just posted a thread that gives POPLA's position on all sorts of areas of appealing. What wins - what loses.

Maybe someone with the links can point you to a successful generic appeal - I know there are some on here, but I haven't bookmarked them.

But you only have 28 days to act if you want to use POPLA and that is 28 days from when you got the POPLA code.

Hovite_2

Jay_wakaa wrote: »

So it is not possible to just leave it? Ignore every letter ect?
The problem is I'm not illiterate at all, I will make some kind of mistake trying to ref-raise one of them, any suggestions?

Look at my previous post and email copies of your ticket. I can assure you that the person running that site knows EXACTLY how to win at POPLA.

Jay_wakaa

Ok mate I will do that and post back how it goes, thanks a lot!
if there anything els I should enclose rather then just the ticket information?

bod1467

Hovite wrote: »

Wrong thread ?

Sorry. I made a mistake - confused SilverLINK (Newcastle area) with SilverBURN (Glasgow area). I deleted my post before I thought anyone saw it, so didn't realise it had been quoted.

Coupon-mad

Jay_wakaa wrote: »

So it is not possible to just leave it? Ignore every letter ect?
The problem is I'm not illiterate at all, I will make some kind of mistake trying to ref-raise one of them, any suggestions?

Ignoring your chance to WIN at POPLA is daft. Madness IMHO seeing as things have changed a bit since the OLD threads you've wasted time reading. Ignore is only the advice in Scotland and NI now, because we know how to get these cancelled and because some scammers have started to wage war and try small claims. So beat them and then they have to cancel it.

We know how to win at POPLA. Read other threads and links such as post #15 here:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4657151

Please don't write your own POPLA appeal without reading those examples and including lots of standard paragraphs you will see used in winning appeals. Show us the draft first, based very much on the long POPLA appeals you read.

Jay_wakaa wrote: »

Ok mate I will do that and post back how it goes, thanks a lot!
if there anything else I should enclose rather then just the ticket information?

Nothing to enclose at all for POPLA, just a looooong appeal letter. Happy reading and let's see your draft appeal to fine-tune it; you can win this like other newbies have done when they have seen this for the scam it is and copied & pasted from other people's POPLA appeals. You don't have to be very literate to read some appeals and then copy & paste the bits that you can see are relevant to your own case.

You only have 28 days from the DATE of the rejection letter itself to send the POPLA appeal in time, so do you have long? Don't miss the deadline.