Anti-Social Driving/Tailgating fines

Jamie_Carter

alleycat` wrote: »

Disagree, you are forcing people to make a much larger maneuver "at speed" than is necessary.

It is the height of lazy driving and shows a total lack of awareness to what is going on around you.

Which could be classed as 'driving without due care and attention'.

zappahey

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Well lets hope you get an on the spot fine for your cocky attitude towards undertaking.

Passing on the left is undertaking, and is illegal in this country.

I'd be interested in which law bans overtaking on the left and what would be the specific offence committed.

Jamie_Carter

Joe_Horner wrote: »

No you're not.

Their own impatience (often at being prevented from exceeding the speed limit anyway) and their lack of self control in the face of that impatience is what "forces" them to make that manoeuvre.

I'm not advocating sitting forever in the middle lane, but people often start showing aggression long before there's a genuinely reasonable gap available to pull into. That's not only inconsiderate in itself, it also becomes dangerous when they tailgate or try to undertake as a result.

If you are in the middle lane and moving quicker than a long line of traffic in the first lane, then nobody will expect you to weave between the first and second lanes. Anyone who tailgates you whilst you are making progress will receive a fine (if not a summons) themselves.

When you will get fined is when you sit in the middle lane, and you are moving slower than traffic in the first lane.

Jamie_Carter

Tinks74 wrote: »

I partially accept your point however in that unfortunate circumstance there was something on the road and it wasn't the situation described.

And what point are you making?

Lum

zappahey wrote: »

I'd be interested in which law bans overtaking on the left and what would be the specific offence committed.

There isn't one, not unless you're weaving across pulling in front of people in which case one of the generic offences such as careless driving would be used.

Just staying in lane at 70 passing all the MLMs is fine.

Jamie_Carter

Lum wrote: »

There is no law against passing on the left in this country.

If they pull in front of someone else at short distance, and then pull out in front of the middle lane user then that's two offences of pulling in front of someone, most likely most likely "driving without due care and attention", and a legitimate use of the middle lane.

If someone is sat doing 60 in the middle lane with no other cars for miles around. I will continue to pass them in the left hand lane, perfectly legally and safely at 70.

Wrong: https://www.gov.uk/motorways-253-to-273/overtaking-267-to-269

Lum

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Wrong: https://www.gov.uk/motorways-253-to-273/overtaking-267-to-269

The only parts of the highway code that are law have the word MUST in them. All other aspects of the highway code are merely advice. Disobeying them can be used to help establish liability in a civil case but that's it.

For example if you pass on the left and the MLM decides to change lane, it could be your insurance paying out, however as a competent and attentive driver you'll be keeping an eye on the obvious idiot and be ready to brake, accelerate or dive into the hard shoulder as necessary, right?

Jamie_Carter

Lum wrote: »

The only parts of the highway code that are law have the word MUST in them. All other aspects of the highway code are merely advice. Disobeying them can be used to help establish liability in a civil case but that's it.

There may not be a specific law, but it is classed as dangerous driving.

Lum

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

There may not be a specific law, but it is classed as dangerous driving.

Not on it's own it isn't. Combine it with cutting in front of people and it becomes dangerous, but not in the example given of nothing on the motorway for miles except for yourself and one MLM.

Joe_Horner

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Wrong: https://www.gov.uk/motorways-253-to-273/overtaking-267-to-269

Before someone else says it, Lum's right. There is no specific law against passing on the left in the UK.

The Highway Code is only advice, except where it says "you MUST NOT..." and refers to legislation - as it does on the page you linked in regards to using the hard shoulder.

Failure to follow the advice can, however, be used as evidence that your driving wasn't to the expected standard in a charge of careless driving etc.