Anti-Social Driving/Tailgating fines

MoneyMate

paddedjohn wrote: »

What bugs me is when drivers get annoyed when 3 lanes become 2 and try blocking the 3rd lane hundreds of yards away from the end.

OK we will have to agree to disagree :beer:

almillar

passing on the left which is legal as long as the traffic in the lane to the right of you is travelling at a lower speed. It only becomes undertaking when you pass someone on the left, then pull into their lane in front of them.

This is wrong. Passing on the left is legal past a 'queue of slow moving traffic' - you can see how that's different to what you posted. If the traffic you're passing isn't slower, you wouldn't be passing it! Your second sentence is completely wrong.

Originally Posted by paddedjohn
What bugs me is when drivers get annoyed when 3 lanes become 2 and try blocking the 3rd lane hundreds of yards away from the end.
What annoys most people is when they are politely filtering from two lanes into one in turn, and then some idiots come flying past to try and queue jump, and then force their way in. That is why people will block you.

We're off topic now, but I can't let this lie. If people are politely filtering from 2 lanes into 1, which lane does the idiot fly past in? Please refer to the end of my post number 25 on this thread, and learn how to merge. If everyone did it right, there would be nowhere for these 'idiots' (that includes me) that 'fly' up the empty lane and bunk the queue. The queue should be the same length in all lanes.

Joe_Horner

almillar wrote: »

This is wrong. Passing on the left is legal past a 'queue of slow moving traffic' - you can see how that's different to what you posted. If the traffic you're passing isn't slower, you wouldn't be passing it! Your second sentence is completely wrong.

As others have rightly pointed out, passing on the left is legal in any case - there is no law against it.

What is not legal is driving in a manner likely to cause danger. Depending on the circumstances, and the way its done, passing on the left is likely to fit that description for a whole load of reasons.

Lum

almillar wrote: »

We're off topic now, but I can't let this lie. If people are politely filtering from 2 lanes into 1, which lane does the idiot fly past in? Please refer to the end of my post number 25 on this thread, and learn how to merge. If everyone did it right, there would be nowhere for these 'idiots' (that includes me) that 'fly' up the empty lane and bunk the queue. The queue should be the same length in all lanes.

Whee, we're about to have the zip-merge / merge-in-turn debate. I'll put some popcorn in the microwave.

Hint: The post I've quoted is the correct answer. It will also never happen in this country, not unless we change the way roadworks are laid out.

Jamie_Carter

Strider590 wrote: »

Ahhhh, but you seeeeee, I changed lanes a distance before the camera and my speed did not change the fact I'd predicted what would happen doesn't really come into it

I actually see quite a few RTCs caused by exactly what you did. This usually happens when someone else in lane 2 thinks that they can undertake. They then pull into lane 1, not expecting someone to be flying down that lane at 70mph.

Xde

Lum wrote: »

Well for the record I've just undertook someone on the motorway in view of a copper.

They were in Lane 3 doing 50mph. I undertook them by remaining in Lane 1 doing 70. The copper was about half a mile back.

The Lane 3 numpty got pulled over for it.

Totally correct.

The major problem I have with MLM's is they are usually 1. toodling along at 50-60mph, 2. completely in their own world and oblivious to their surroundings on both left and right, 3. as a result totally unpredictable and dangerous.

That said, when I did my IAM course I was taught it was good practice - on either dual carriageway or motorway, if you are already in the middle lane, coming up to a slip entrance then given a gap to your left it is good practice to remain in the middle lane until you have assessed oncoming traffic from the slip road.

Finally, if I am in the middle lane doing 70, and some moron in their Audi is up my rear, flashing me because I have forced them to slow from 100mph and ruining their day - they can either overtake to my right or wait until *I* deem it safe to return to the left hand lane!

JamesC arter - one one thread you work for an airport, and now you are trained in high speed driving on public roads! Really?! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Jamie_Carter

Xde wrote: »

Totally correct.

The major problem I have with MLM's is they are usually 1. toodling along at 50-60mph, 2. completely in their own world and oblivious to their surroundings on both left and right, 3. as a result totally unpredictable and dangerous.

That said, when I did my IAM course I was taught it was good practice - on either dual carriageway or motorway, if you are already in the middle lane, coming up to a slip entrance then given a gap to your left it is good practice to remain in the middle lane until you have assessed oncoming traffic from the slip road.

Finally, if I am in the middle lane doing 70, and some moron in their Audi is up my rear, flashing me because I have forced them to slow from 100mph and ruining their day - they can either overtake to my right or wait until *I* deem it safe to return to the left hand lane!

JamesC arter - one one thread you work for an airport, and now you are trained in high speed driving on public roads! Really?! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You have already been banned several times. So why are you now stalking me through various threads to try and be disruptive??

And you might want to get your facts right. I said I was working at the airport. I never said that I worked for an airport. There is a huge difference. Many people work at airports sometimes, but aren't employed by them.

What you have said about moving over to the second lane when approaching an entry slip is correct. But that isn't middle lane hogging. You would know that if you were IAM qualified.

Paperbird

It no longer surprises me how many people on motoring forums complain about being tailgated or undertaken when they are " driving correctly and not breaking the law ".
I never get tailgated or undertaken on the motorway.
Could the reason be because I drive in the left lane unless I am overtaking something.
Or that am happy to slow down rather than overtake if someone behind is going faster than me and by pulling out from lane one to lane two will mean they have to slow down because cars are overtaking them in lane three.
Or that I don't mind slowing if moving to lane three to overtake will slow someone down before I've finished my overtake.
Or that I don't mind going over 70mph when I overtake if it means I'm out of the way before Mr Audi driver doing 100/110mph catches up with me.
Or if I'm in the outside lane overtaking a line of cars and see a car coming up behind me going faster than me will slow to the speed of the ones I'm overtaking and move into a gap out of the way to let it past.
I'm not the police and I don't care what speed other drivers want to do. If they want to do 90/100/110/120mph it's their choice and while some people think they are doing a good turn by slowing them down I'll continue getting out of their way and letting them go past.

demystified

Undertaking may not be illegal but its damn stupid in my experience. There are 2 scenarios I'm familiar with:

1) - I'm in the middle lane, because there are some slower moving traffic on the left a hundred yards ahead, I'm staying in this lane because otherwise I'd be ducking in and out of the left lane, but "some guy" decides I'm hogging the lane and zooms up the inside lane - only to run into the slow traffic shortly after where he either:

a) slams on his brakes, by that time I'm closed the distance and its not safe for him to cut into my lane so he either waits for me to go past or
b) cuts right in front of me into my lane, nearly taking my bumper off

2) - I'm a a 2 lane carriageway, another 2 lane carriageway merges from the left, I'm now in lane 3 of a 4 lane carriageway - I actually want to get over to lane 1 because I have to turn off at the next junction a half mile ahead but there are a stream of bozos who are zooming up the 2 lanes next me undertaking me - I then have to dive across 2 lanes to get into L1 in gaps between them - and its its suicidal sometimes.

Just don't do it, please.

Lum

demystified wrote: »

Undertaking may not be illegal but its damn stupid in my experience. There are 2 scenarios I'm familiar with:

1) - I'm in the middle lane, because there are some slower moving traffic on the left a hundred yards ahead, I'm staying in this lane because otherwise I'd be ducking in and out of the left lane, but "some guy" decides I'm hogging the lane and zooms up the inside lane - only to run into the slow traffic shortly after where he either:

a) slams on his brakes, by that time I'm closed the distance and its not safe for him to cut into my lane so he either waits for me to go past or
b) cuts right in front of me into my lane, nearly taking my bumper off

In that sort of situation your driving is fine and the person passing on the left is in the wrong. Since it sounds like you don't just sit in L2 for no reason you've probably never been legitimately undertaken.

2) - I'm a a 2 lane carriageway, another 2 lane carriageway merges from the left, I'm now in lane 3 of a 4 lane carriageway - I actually want to get over to lane 1 because I have to turn off at the next junction a half mile ahead but there are a stream of bozos who are zooming up the 2 lanes next me undertaking me - I then have to dive across 2 lanes to get into L1 in gaps between them - and its its suicidal sometimes.

That one is always annoying. That whole design of merge and split is generally a bad design and frowned upon by competent traffic engineers. What you're describing is usually called "weaving" and is generally bad and leads to higher levels of accidents.

Really winds me up when a new junction is put in these days that uses that design. South end of the M6 Toll I'm looking at you.