Official MSE Economy 7 Guide discussion

Rubidium

You should have started your own thread about E10 as this thread is specificaly about E7.

Yes all electricity used will be charged at lower rate but heating etc. are usually wired so that they can only operate during the off peak hours which for E10 could be:

Midnight to 05.00 (gmt) 5 hours
13.00 – 16.00 (gmt) – 3 hours
20.00 – 22.00 (gmt) – 2 hours

however this can vary depending on your region. You will definitely not be charged at both rates i.e. twice.

footyguy

Rubidium wrote: »

You should have started your own thread about E10 as this thread is specificaly about E7.

Yes all electricity used will be charged at lower rate but heating etc. are usually wired so that they can only operate during the off peak hours which for E10 could be:

Midnight to 05.00 (gmt) 5 hours
13.00 – 16.00 (gmt) – 3 hours
20.00 – 22.00 (gmt) – 2 hours

however this can vary depending on your region. You will definitely not be charged at both rates i.e. twice.

Once again, that is not quite right.

Refer to the link (& posts) by molerat above.

Rubidium

footyguy wrote: »

Once again, that is not quite right.

Refer to the link (& posts) by molerat above.

It depends on the region. 2 MPAN E10 is as far as I'm aware is not for new installs by EDF.

The problem with these limited tariffs is that you have very little choice to switch to a cheaper deal with another supplier.

swanangel121

Hi Guys, I spoke to EDF just now and I am having a single meter fitted so anything i use in the low peak times will be charged at low peak rate, there are people who have 2 meters so they can only get the heating on cheap rate, but lucky me I am only having 1 put in so can save more money, thand you all for your help

akh43

DD has just moved into a 1 bed flat with storage heaters. According to the caretaker she will be better off on E7, she does not know what kind of meter she has as they read the meters for the whole block, she has no idea where the meters are located. When she rang First Utility, supplier in previous property, to advise of move they offered her both tariffs, but she chose the single tarriff as that was what she previously had, but now she has spoken to caretaker she is wondering if she has done the correct thing.

She has 2 storage heaters and a water heater that seems to work at night, but she cant find any controls for the water heater and has no idea what hours it is on or if its on all night. I have no idea how these water heaters use all I know is the only switch we have found so far is a booster switch. Do water heaters turn off when it reaches maximum temperature or is it likely to be heating the water all night?

These are the main things that would be on at night, at a push she could use her washer overnight and maybe charge her toothbrush but she is struggling to think what else she could use at night, her laptop has a faulty battery and needs to be plugged in when in use. She works at home 2 days a week and so would be using work computer during those days, in winter would probably need heating when cold and has tv on.

How can you work out what would be best for you if you have no idea what your likely usage would be as none of us have ever had storage heaters?

Any advice would be appreciated as she only has 14 days within which to change her tariff if she decides to go for E7.

FullForce

akh43 wrote: »

DD has just moved into a 1 bed flat with storage heaters. According to the caretaker she will be better off on E7, she does not know what kind of meter she has as they read the meters for the whole block, she has no idea where the meters are located. When she rang First Utility, supplier in previous property, to advise of move they offered her both tariffs, but she chose the single tarriff as that was what she previously had, but now she has spoken to caretaker she is wondering if she has done the correct thing.

She has 2 storage heaters and a water heater that seems to work at night, but she cant find any controls for the water heater and has no idea what hours it is on or if its on all night. I have no idea how these water heaters use all I know is the only switch we have found so far is a booster switch. Do water heaters turn off when it reaches maximum temperature or is it likely to be heating the water all night?

These are the main things that would be on at night, at a push she could use her washer overnight and maybe charge her toothbrush but she is struggling to think what else she could use at night, her laptop has a faulty battery and needs to be plugged in when in use. She works at home 2 days a week and so would be using work computer during those days, in winter would probably need heating when cold and has tv on.

How can you work out what would be best for you if you have no idea what your likely usage would be as none of us have ever had storage heaters?

Any advice would be appreciated as she only has 14 days within which to change her tariff if she decides to go for E7.

No she has not done the right thing; not the right thing on so many levels it's impossible to know where to even begin.

However, I do feel her pain...

akh43

akh43 wrote: »

DD has just moved into a 1 bed flat with storage heaters. According to the caretaker she will be better off on E7, she does not know what kind of meter she has as they read the meters for the whole block, she has no idea where the meters are located. When she rang First Utility, supplier in previous property, to advise of move they offered her both tariffs, but she chose the single tarriff as that was what she previously had, but now she has spoken to caretaker she is wondering if she has done the correct thing.

She has 2 storage heaters and a water heater that seems to work at night, but she cant find any controls for the water heater and has no idea what hours it is on or if its on all night. I have no idea how these water heaters use all I know is the only switch we have found so far is a booster switch. Do water heaters turn off when it reaches maximum temperature or is it likely to be heating the water all night?

These are the main things that would be on at night, at a push she could use her washer overnight and maybe charge her toothbrush but she is struggling to think what else she could use at night, her laptop has a faulty battery and needs to be plugged in when in use. She works at home 2 days a week and so would be using work computer during those days, in winter would probably need heating when cold and has tv on.

How can you work out what would be best for you if you have no idea what your likely usage would be as none of us have ever had storage heaters?

Any advice would be appreciated as she only has 14 days within which to change her tariff if she decides to go for E7.

FullForce wrote: »

No she has not done the right thing; not the right thing on so many levels it's impossible to know where to even begin.

However, I do feel her pain...

Please elaborate on why this is not the right thing?

Richie-from-the-Boro

offered her both tariffs

- E10=10 hours worth, more expensive than E7, restricted competition, not widely available
- E7 is cheaper than E10, and E7 is a cheaper competitive tariff widely available
- E7 is the cheaper tariff

cant find any controls for the water heater

- water controller and off altogether is usually by the water cylinder
- comes on for 7 hours - then off when it decides, nothing for her to worry about
- it will switch on and off all night, thermostatic controlled, nothing for her to worry about
- boost is just that daytime extra needs only for 60 minutes @ a time

How can you work out what would be best for you

- suck it and see, water 365, heating tails on and off in the summer and up higher and lower over the winter

Your daughter has selected the cheapest E7, from that supplier but there may be

- cheaper alternative types of E7 tariff with that supplier
- and much cheaper E7 tariffs with a~n~other supplier
- do the comparison sites

Best of luck.

wattsupnow

I don't understand why your supplier cannot simply add the 2 meter reads for night and day and charge for the total. My daughter lives in a house that used to have storage heaters. The meter is the original E7 White Meter. There is no need to change the meter.

footyguy

wattsupnow wrote: »

I don't understand why your supplier cannot simply add the 2 meter reads for night and day and charge for the total. My daughter lives in a house that used to have storage heaters. The meter is the original E7 White Meter. There is no need to change the meter.

Because it's a fiddle, and most suppliers are not prepared to do this. Therefore you are severely restricting your choice of supplier (who will provide a single rtae tariff)

What's more, it ends up costing the supplier money supplying their single rate tariff when the customer has a dual rate meter since the extra cost of renting the dual rate meter is not accounted for.
(Actually the supplier won't lose out - who loses out are all the customers on single rate meters who have to subsidise those on dual rate meters but taking advantage of the single rate tariff)

Suppliers who are not prepared to supply a single rate tariff to a customer who has a dual rate meter but want a single rate tariff, will arrange for a meter change on request; a charge may apply ... but the Big 6 (at least the ones who won't supply single rate tariff to customers with a dual rate meter) will do that free of charge (except Scottish Power, who do charge).