Ebid vs Ebay

Mistymaid

Well if you look on your own eBay forums you will see that somebody, a large seller, got kicked off for getting two low stars in two months.
Somebody else got the same thing and their fees rose by £50 in one month.

Let's hope you don't get any unreasonable buyers or vindictive sellers eh?

Because if you think that is reasonable then I hope you still have the same attitude when it happens to you.

Which sellers on eBid exactly is it that have been kicked off eBay and moved onto eBid, that you wouldn't deal with? Especially since there is a large proportion of them.
You've obviously been affected by this to the possible detriment of the seller and really you should put your money where you mouth is and start naming these people instead of just making broad based unsubstantiated statements.
Seriously.

If eBay works for you, fine, although I'm not quite sure which second hand items you are dealing in that only brought in an all time high of £18, but please, stop trying to pull down perfectly legitimate sellers, who over the years have put in an enormous amount of time, effort and energy into building up good reputations, by slinging cheap mud around when you clearly have a very narrow knowledge base and are doing tremendous damage to the whole internet selling game, and even though I know you cannot see it, are pulling your own house down around you.

soolin

Mistymaid wrote: »

Which sellers on eBid exactly is it that have been kicked off eBay and moved onto eBid, that you wouldn't deal with? Especially since there is a large proportion of them.
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Does this mean you are now spreading the same gossip about ebid being where the banned ebay sellers go? I thought you decided a page or so ago that making these 'false' claims was libel?

I'm happy to sell on ebay but once I start making losses I'll move on and find something else to do. I am trying to sell on ebid but so far without any sucess although I will keep trying.

TurkishDelight

Mistymaid wrote: »

Well if you look on your own eBay forums you will see that somebody, a large seller, got kicked off for getting two low stars in two months.
Somebody else got the same thing and their fees rose by £50 in one month.

Let's hope you don't get any unreasonable buyers or vindictive sellers eh?

Because if you think that is reasonable then I hope you still have the same attitude when it happens to you.

Which sellers on eBid exactly is it that have been kicked off eBay and moved onto eBid, that you wouldn't deal with? Especially since there is a large proportion of them.
You've obviously been affected by this to the possible detriment of the seller and really you should put your money where you mouth is and start naming these people instead of just making broad based unsubstantiated statements.
Seriously.

If eBay works for you, fine, although I'm not quite sure which second hand items you are dealing in that only brought in an all time high of £18, but please, stop trying to pull down perfectly legitimate sellers, who over the years have put in an enormous amount of time, effort and energy into building up good reputations, by slinging cheap mud around when you clearly have a very narrow knowledge base and are doing tremendous damage to the whole internet selling game, and even though I know you cannot see it, are pulling your own house down around you.

There is no way that is the full story, we have two low stars at the moment and once the changes come in we will be top rated status.

I will say this very clearly- any seller who has been kicked off ebay is a seller who I would be reluctant to deal with. I don't know their names, nor do I care, but ebid has this reputation in my mind and in the minds of many others.

Ooh resulting to childish insults now are we? Our knowledge base is fine- it should be since ebay is our sole job. That £18 price I quoted you was 6 times what we paid for the goods, so belitle all you want but we are making enough to comfortably live off and have no interest in pulling anyone down. I was just making a point, from a buyers perspective, trying to explain that this is how buyers see ebid- if it was any good I would use it, but it's not good enough so I don't.

Mistymaid

soolin wrote: »

Does this mean you are now spreading the same gossip about ebid being where the banned ebay sellers go? I thought you decided a page or so ago that making these 'false' claims was libel?

I'm happy to sell on ebay but once I start making losses I'll move on and find something else to do. I am trying to sell on ebid but so far without any sucess although I will keep trying.

No, if you read it again, it actually has a question mark against it. That means it is a question rather than a statement.

Really Soolin, is this the best you can come up with after all I've said? Seriously?

I don't know what you sell either on eBay or Ebid, I did look up Soolin on eBid but that can't be you.

Either way, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the majority of buyers and sellers on both eBay and eBid are honest, straightforward people, despite what folk like you and TD say. They deserve neither to be badmouthed, talked down to, or forced to move from one site to another. All that is required is a reasonable attitude from both buyers and sellers and the world moves along quite nicely.

But, I'll leave you to it. For some unknown reason, I'm presuming ignorance, you seem to be quite happy to drive people away from one site and bad mouth them on another. Perhaps, just maybe, you are thinking that the more people who leave eBay, the more customers will be left for you?
Don't know, but my take on it is, once eBay's profits start really sliding and it cannot be hidden from shareholders by increasing fees/penalties to the sellers, then that will be it.

TurkishDelight

Mistymaid wrote: »

Either way, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the majority of buyers and sellers on both eBay and eBid are honest, straightforward people, despite what folk like you and TD say.

Yes they are, but to go into any deal with that attitude is setting yourself up for a fall. You still haven't addressed the issue of safety for a buyer, which was my real point. A quick search of ebids forums throws up a user that has been banned from "thiefbay"* because they have had 4 "paypoo"* claims opened against them. Not someone I would want to be in a trading situation with without protection, as they obviously can't understand how to use a refund button.

*Seriously- how childish, that does harm in itself to be honest.

DaveAshton

The way I see it (as I've said many times) is that until ebid get the buyers, it's completely pointless selling there. If we moved our business from ebay to ebid, we'd be losing out on this:


And those numbers are only based on the people that haven't left us feedback yet (as soon as we receive feedback, we reciprocate then delete from the MyEbay page).

I know that without the sellers, ebid won't get the buyers, and with no buyers there's no reason for sellers to turn up, but ebid need something more than just "NO FEES" to entice people. The simple fact is that on ebay, you get what you pay for, worldwide coverage (ergo advertising) of your product, and an easy to use interface to track your sales.

patman99

Ebay got to the size they are today not by advertising, but by using their profits to buy-up smaller rivals, thus increasing their customer base.

I started-out on FS Auctions, this was Ebay's first purchase. That added 2.2 million UK customers to Ebays' database overnight, and doubled their UK customer base overnight. Since then, the big bad 'E' has purchased many rivals in many countries, and in the process, added new features aquired with each purchase, such as 'list by distance - nearest first'.

Ebid on the other hand, is growing by reccomendation rather than aquisition. This is a much slower growth-rate model, but is ultimately the most stable.

If you want buyer/seller protection then sign-up to google checkout, this is far superior to Paypal as it offers protection to both buyers and sellers. So in the event of goods being paid for with stolen card details, the seller doesn't loose-out. So in a way, Ebid is better if you want to sell abroad.

FACT, Ebay is loosing $78m a day due to the delay in the sale of Skype, this is because 4 of the people who originally developed, then sold Skype, are now suing (through their new company) Skype for breach of copyright regarding the technology behind Skype. If these guys are successful, how many others will follow suite over 'technologies' they claim to have developed.

Before anyone asks, no, even I can't fathom-out why the original sale to Ebay of Skype didn't include the patents to the technology, or why Ebay were naive enough not to ask the right questions.

TurkishDelight

patman99 wrote: »

If you want buyer/seller protection then sign-up to google checkout, this is far superior to Paypal as it offers protection to both buyers and sellers.

Does it? Because I've just logged into my account and pretty much the only protection I am offered is fraudulent use of a card. If every transaction I made was not covered by non reciept I'd be missing hundreds of pounds by now (mostly stupid people who can't work out how to start their auctions and then lie about it). Admittedly I can't really see much on their site, it's all a bit vague and basic. (Not being sarky by the way, I would actually like to know how google checkout works, just in case)

cyberbob

patman99 wrote: »

Ebid on the other hand, is growing by reccomendation rather than aquisition. This is a much slower growth-rate model, but is ultimately the most stable.

Evidence please.

patman99 wrote: »

If you want buyer/seller protection then sign-up to google checkout, this is far superior to Paypal as it offers protection to both buyers and sellers. So in the event of goods being paid for with stolen card details, the seller doesn't loose-out. So in a way, Ebid is better if you want to sell abroad.

If you look into google checkout is similar to paypal but when you delve deeper it does not offer the same protection. As a buyer though it cannot guarantee a refund for non delivery. As google checkout does not actually process the payment. It works in a different way to Paypal.

This is an official quote from google

Google wrote:

Please keep in mind that the seller is responsible for shipping, charging, and refunding all orders through their Google Checkout system, as we cannot perform these tasks on the seller’s behalf. Although Google Checkout is where you entered your billing information, it is the seller that charges your credit card and ships your items. While Google Checkout cannot make changes to orders or process refunds for orders that have already been sent to the seller, we’re happy to communicate your concerns to the seller in order to expedite a resolution to your concern.

So basically all they do is ask the seller nicely to refund. If they do not nothing can be done. As a buyer this does not inspire confidence.

if you were to go down the Google checkout route on ebid what could be frustrating as a buyer is not everyone will except it. As much as paypal has problems the fact that it is accepted by all sellers on ebay means as a buyer you know that there is a universal payment system. This attracts more buyers.

patman99 wrote: »

Ebay got to the size they are today not by advertising, but by using their profits to buy-up smaller rivals, thus increasing their customer base.

Did I imagine all those TV adverts and all that web advertising over the past 10 years?

I wish ebid well but without some huge change in policies and attitude it will never be any competition and will not attract the buyers or the sellers.

StaffsSW

cyberbob wrote: »

Originally Posted by patman99
Ebid on the other hand, is growing by reccomendation rather than aquisition. This is a much slower growth-rate model, but is ultimately the most stable.
Evidence please.

It depends on the definition of "growth".

Number of listings, number of sellers and number of page views are growing - I did see a press release with the stats a few months ago on Tamebay that I'll dig out in a bit.

Number of completed sales - well, thats a fgure they play close to their chest.

As for their marketing, they are still pro-actively recruiting sellers through an extensive Adwords and affiliates campaign. From my own experience I am referring 20-30 active sign-ups per month from one of my websites, but as I've now got bored of saying, it's easy to recruit sellers with cheap fees, and in fairness a lot of sellers have given it the benefit of the doubt, myself included, but I'm still waiting to see any active recruiting of buyers/customers.