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Net migration down nearly 100,000 over the year
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Sounds a lot like a UKIP "statistic"*.
*an outright lie in other words
Nah, sorry, Labour.
If you had read further before jumping in you wouldn't have shot yourself int he foot.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Nah, sorry, Labour.
If you had read further before jumping in you wouldn't have shot yourself int he foot.
Except that your quote for Ms Cooper demonstrated that these 'unwanted' fake students are not included in the net migration numbers and the 'good' type of students that are being deterred are
I think....0 -
Except that your quote for Ms Cooper demonstrated that these 'unwanted' fake students are not included in the net migration numbers and the 'good' type of students that are being deterred are
Whooops.:)
Another completely made up statistic from Dev.
What a surprise.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Except that your quote for Ms Cooper demonstrated that these 'unwanted' fake students are not included in the net migration numbers and the 'good' type of students that are being deterred are
No, she states they are not included in the target.
She does not say that they are not included in the net migration figures. She says they are not included in the government target (as in the government tagret to reduce immigration).
There is no mention of net migration in what I have quoted. You have seemingly added this yourself or misread what it states.Legitimate university students are included in the target even though they bring billions into Britain - and those are being squeezed. Yet student visitor visas aren't included - and growing abuse in that category is being ignored. Stronger checks are needed on shorter-term student visitor visas."
They are clearly included in the figures outlayed in the OP.0 -
I just figured why prices are getting cheaper in Oldham,
The population is actually dropping here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OldhamHave my first business premises (+4th business) 01/11/2017
Quit day job to run 3 businesses 08/02/2017
Started third business 25/06/2016
Son born 13/09/2015
Started a second business 03/08/2013
Officially the owner of my own business since 13/01/20120 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Whooops.:)
Another completely made up statistic from Dev.
What a surprise.
That's both feet shot.
READ hamish, READ dear boy!0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Not in the sense that she was talking about, i.e. the target. As she stated "these figures are not included in the target".
She does not say that they are not included in the net migration figures. She says they are not included in the government target (as in the government tagret to reduce immigration).
There is no mention of net migration in what I have quoted. You have seemingly added this yourself or misread what it states.
They are clearly included in the figures outlayed in the OP.
Graham I have read the quote again and still read it as degree course type students are included in the net migration target but that short term language student type visas are not included in the target presumably because they are not part of 'net migration'. I can't see there is another way to read it.I think....0 -
Graham I have read the quote again and still read it as degree course type students are included in the net migration target but that short term language student type visas are not included in the target presumably because they are not part of 'net migration'. I can't see there is another way to read it.
Even if you read it that way ( and I can see your issue)... doesn't that pose another issue...the issue being our net immigration numbers are....well....wrong?
The issue with these visas is that there are no checks to fathom out whether they overstay or actually undergo education. So it appears a back door entry.
IF excluded from the figures, it could actually go some way to explain why the student visas have dropped. As these have increased dramatically.
Maybe it's not more about deterring, but more about ease for those coming to the UK?0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Even if you read it that way... doesn't that pose another issue...the issue being our net immigration numbers are....well....wrong?
The issue with these visas is that there are no checks to fathom out whether they overstay or actually undergo education. So it appears a back door entry.
IF excluded from the figures, it could actually go some way to explain why the student visas have dropped. As these have increased dramatically.
More muddling Graham?
Why not just admit you were wrong and move on.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »More muddling Graham?
Why not just admit you were wrong and move on.
Hamish, when you can answer a straight question, then you can come back with the muddling stuff (and the hideous amounts of other drivel you spout).
I notice you haven't even attempted to argue what I laid out about infrastructure....probably as it's too much of a challenge for you. Far easier to call people racists, muddlers, xenophobes than it is to actually debate the infrastructure issues, or even put them to bed.0
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