Under Occupancy (Bedroom tax)

sulkisu

bloolagoon wrote: »

To pay £500,000 in tax in 20 years you earn £185,000 plus, perhaps you can give your excess money to a charity to help those you favour?

Meanwhile I will favour those with coppers left in private rents who dream of paying £10 a week for their room with secure tenancy.

You need to live in our world not upper class superiority.

In post 18 he says £500k tax within the next 2 years not 20. I make that an income of £600k p.a. Paying £400 p.m maintenance, and a £190k mortgage on a £250k property? Hmmmm .

I am curious as to why a digital contactor (??) and his wife who has worked in LA housing departments as a contractor, thinks that people will want to ask them about housing benefit cuts.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

haras_nosirrah wrote: »

since when was asthma a disability? I have asthma and have had attacks and am not saying it can't be serious (my aunt died of it at the age of 13 in the 1970's when healthcare wasn't as good as today) but I don't think two or three asthma attacks a year would mean the child would be classed as disabled or that him keeping his sister awake two nights a year is a huge problem. If the parents believe his son should have his own room that is fine but the parents should pay for it.

FACT asthma is classed as a disability, major attack of two or three tells me that this child sufferes with mild asthma, as an asthma sufferer spending my childhood/teens/adulthood in and out of hospital cardiac arrest 4 times, diary allergic adds extra care to that person, nightly monitoring for fear your child will have an attack in their sleep and die is one thing you can never overlook.

3 attacks a year to warrant hospital doesnt mean it aint all that bad, it means you havent been told of the bundles of mild attacks a day that was controlled by ventolin or a nebuliser with 2.5mg saline ventolin or even 5mg of saline ventlin and the child resting for hours after with shakes headaches and dizzyness, pehaps even sickness, with a tackicardic heart rate.

being subceptable to any infection you came into contact with, colds and chest infections are my achilliesheal, going out in damp air, having to suck on my inhaler everytime a diesel car or bus passed by as the diesel co2 fumes effected my greatly.

dont pass off half the snippet youve been told about, it isnt a disability because you knew one person to have it etc pahh hear that all the time, it affects people on different levels bronchal asthma,mild/moderate asthma, severe asthma. severe brittle asthma type 2 severe brittle asthma type 1, and then onto copd, and the worse asthma cand develop into emphysemia. asthma can be controled never cured its not reversable only the symptoms, youve heared of people growing out of it, only to later in adulthood for it to return with avengance in an active fit peson.

dont write off asthma as a non disability.

Somerset

sulkisu wrote: »

I am curious as to why a digital contactor (??) and his wife who has worked in LA housing departments as a contractor, thinks that people will want to ask them about housing benefit cuts.

Because he thinks he's the dog's b0llocks .............

atrixblue.-MFR-.

ok then look at this scenrio, why on earth will a HA concil offer a couple a 3 bed house anyway?

part of the blame lies with counils and HA for granting 2-3 houses in the past to coulpes only, only 2 years ago did my HA stop this stupidity and put a policy in place to grant houses suitable to the persons applying.

there are mismitch people in home because the authority who put them there in the first place, now population has expended theres a problem with people in unsuitable homes, now the gov has realised this and capatilised on with taxing unoccupied rooms.

what about those who run a small buisiness from home with little income that are getting a HB CB top up are those taxed as well i dont know?

lighting_up_the_chalice

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

ok then look at this scenrio, why on earth will a HA concil offer a couple a 3 bed house anyway?

part of the blame lies with counils and HA for granting 2-3 houses in the past to coulpes only, only 2 years ago did my HA stop this stupidity and put a policy in place to grant houses suitable to the persons applying.

there are mismitch people in home because the authority who put them there in the first place, now population has expended theres a problem with people in unsuitable homes, now the gov has realised this and capatilised on with taxing unoccupied rooms.

what about those who run a small buisiness from home with little income that are getting a HB CB top up are those taxed as well i dont know?

I've highlighted the pertinent word... Offer. No-one has ever been forced to accept social housing. An offer is made, which can be as easily declined as it can be accepted.

In fact, most SH lets now are the result of CBL (Choice Based Lettings) where people will actively CHOOSE the property on which they bid. The advert will tell them how many bedrooms it has.

However, most under-occupancy is the result of changes in the household. Kids leaving home, relationships ending, succession etc, so the property was usually appropriate at the point of let.

Morlock

Housing_Benefit_Officer wrote: »

...David Cameron said parents with disabled children are exempt.

Or more accurately, Cameron tried to include disabled siblings in the bedroom tax policy to make them share a room or otherwise become liable, but a court of appeal overturned the ruling.

The DWP were appealing that decision in order to enforce the bedroom tax, but dropped the case recently under public pressure.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

I've highlighted the pertinent word... Offer. No-one has ever been forced to accept social housing. An offer is made, which can be as easily declined as it can be accepted.

In fact, most SH lets now are the result of CBL (Choice Based Lettings) where people will actively CHOOSE the property on which they bid. The advert will tell them how many bedrooms it has.

However, most under-occupancy is the result of changes in the household. Kids leaving home, relationships ending, succession etc, so the property was usually appropriate at the point of let.

many people get priority cards if you dont take the house offered you lose the priority car or if you dont bid on a house that is available in any area even non specified ones.

so if a 3 bed came up and you had you as a single parent and 1 child you had no option BUT to bid and no option but to take for fear of having priority revoked and having to be put on the bottom of the waiting list.

so no not as plain as picking and choosing in emergency situations as you make out.

Dogger69

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

FACT asthma is classed as a disability, major attack of two or three tells me that this child sufferes with mild asthma, as an asthma sufferer spending my childhood/teens/adulthood in and out of hospital cardiac arrest 4 times, diary allergic adds extra care to that person, nightly monitoring for fear your child will have an attack in their sleep and die is one thing you can never overlook.

Just to clarify your 'fact', asthma *may* be a disability depending on how it affects the individual. However in the great majority of cases it is not.

kingfisherblue

MathewJ wrote: »

The big picture here my Lady... is I am providing jobs for people, and taking people off the UK's dependency/social care list.

So ignoring (and I agree with you) my personal tax bill not giving me any more or less voice - we all have one vote. I am doing something about the problem.

Your tax has a £ value - and in real business and economics it's the zeros that matter.

A voice and opinion is something most of us are born with - what matters is those who WALK the TALK and can do something about it - rather than ramble on about their tax being spent on crap.

When you can show a 20+ person, £1m contribution to our system - feel free to ramble on about your 'bubble'

Until that day - I would like to keep this 'ON topic' about the current debacle that our government is forcing through to appease our middle class minds.

Think outside your bubble for a moment - lose your job, lose your savings and forget about your silver spoon inheritance - then climb out of the pit while others sneer down at you?

What a pile of condescending twaddle!

As to other points, I share a bedroom on holiday with......wait for it.....two sons! And to make matters worse, one is disabled. At home, the lads share with each other, so at times my younger son is disturbed in the night by my disabled son. It's a situation that cannot be helped, as I live in a three bedroom semi - I have one room, the boys have another, and my daughter is in the box room.

When we go on holiday in a couple of weeks, my daughter and her fianc! will share a room, and I will be in a disabled friendly room with my two sons. This is because I don't want my boys in a different room to me, as my disabled child needs quite a lot of overnight care. I can't leave doors open overnight in a hotel, and getting connecting rooms with one of them a room suitable for disabilities can be difficult. But do you know what, I don't think any of us will care. After all, we can change, one at a time, in the bathroom.

When my ex has the lads on the odd occasion, he sleeps in the same room as them, at his Mum's house. There isn't any room with his new family, as three generations live there.

My boys are not harmed in any way by occasionally having to share with their parents.

Incidentally, I can't move into a house with more bedrooms so that my disabled son has his own room - I'm in a mortgaged property. Even though I am on benefits, as my son's carer, and I get a small amount of SMI, I have to cover the remainder of the mortgage, plus endowments and insurance, and eventually any shortfall as a result of the endowments. I would probably be better off in council accommodation, but our home has been adapted for my son's disabilities.

It does annoy me, though, when people complain of having to pay part of their rent because they have an extra bedroom or two. In my area, the main social housing provider has been building one and two bedroom homes for the last few years, yet some people want to stay in a three bedroom house when they are single people. It doesn't seem fair to me.

Somebody suggested that five year tenancies would be a better idea, and I agree. It would be fairer on families living in cramped accommodation if they had the chance to move into a larger house, whilst knowing that they would have to move out once the children have grown and left home.

In the meantime, the OP is coming across as a patronising *** who can't stop boasting about how much he pays in taxes. Well, some news for you, many of us have also paid taxes, and I still would be except that one of my children was born with major disabilities (including asthma ), and needs constant care. I did try returning to work, but being up the best part of the night meant that I couldn't keep it up, and I wasn't giving my best to my employer. It was also beyond my control when my ex husband decided to leave and start a new family elsewhere. Remember, OP, there but for the grace of God....

lighting_up_the_chalice

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

many people get priority cards if you dont take the house offered you lose the priority car or if you dont bid on a house that is available in any area even non specified ones.

so if a 3 bed came up and you had you as a single parent and 1 child you had no option BUT to bid and no option but to take for fear of having priority revoked and having to be put on the bottom of the waiting list.

so no not as plain as picking and choosing in emergency situations as you make out.

You get priority because you are in URGENT housing need. Of course you will be expected to bid under those circumstances, otherwise you would just bide your time and cherry-pick high demand properties, which isn't really fair, is it?

However, most one-offer policies with the risk of losing priority if an offer is refused focus purely on homelessness, where the one offer is enshrined in legislation. Surely no-one would think it right for a homeless family to turn down a suitable offer of accommodation and continue to sit at the top of the list?

Those authorities/providers who have extended their one offer policy to include other priority groups have done so because of the level of demand in their area. As such, they usually have policies around property size and bidding which would prevent the 1 child family you describe from bidding on a three bed house.

Either way, the option to refuse remains.