JCP making it madatory to work full-time

neverdespairgirl

lukieboy96 wrote: »

I would not be happy leaving a 12 year old on their own every day.

At 12, my maternal grandmother left school and got a full-time job of her own. 8am to 7pm Monday to Friday, 8am to 2pm on Saturdays.

paulineb_2

Any job that earns more than someone would get on JSA could take them out of the benefits system, though I appreciate there are a certain amount of hours people need to work to claim WTC.

People dont have to work a set shift pattern between 8am and 8pm. I signed on for 6 months in 2011 and I put down what hours I wanted to work and the distance I would travel from home. What Im saying is, there is always a degree of flexibility when it comes down to the jobs you say you can or cant take and also people will be able to say what responsibilities they have when it comes to their kids.

I dont see why parents with kids who are 12 or over shouldnt be encouraged to look for work. Theres a lot about the system that needs to change, affordable childcare, flexible working hours, but people can and do work when they have children, it shouldnt be an automatic barrier to having a job.

ArtoDeeto

concerned43 wrote: »

I have heard that JCP are telling job seekers who have children that once the child reaches 14 that they must look for full- time work between 8am - 8pm. They are saying that the law states that a child reaches 14 they can be left alone!
This is not true and would be up to the parent to decide depending on the child, I am complaining evidence of this malpractice and if anyone out there who has been told the same, I would like to hear for you.

Sorry you can't leave your 14 year old CHILD alone to go to work. So basically you are trying to weedle your way out of working - I have no sympathy.
BTW NOONE TELLS 14 YEAR OLD TO GO TO WORK

Dunroamin

paulineb wrote: »

Any job that earns more than someone would get on JSA could take them out of the benefits system, though I appreciate there are a certain amount of hours people need to work to claim WTC.

Working Tax Credits are part of the benefits system and many workers, both full and part time, claim LHA and/or DLA.

osdset

paulineb wrote: »

Any job that earns more than someone would get on JSA could take them out of the benefits system, though I appreciate there are a certain amount of hours people need to work to claim WTC.

People dont have to work a set shift pattern between 8am and 8pm. I signed on for 6 months in 2011 and I put down what hours I wanted to work and the distance I would travel from home. What Im saying is, there is always a degree of flexibility when it comes down to the jobs you say you can or cant take and also people will be able to say what responsibilities they have when it comes to their kids.

I dont see why parents with kids who are 12 or over shouldnt be encouraged to look for work. Theres a lot about the system that needs to change, affordable childcare, flexible working hours, but people can and do work when they have children, it shouldnt be an automatic barrier to having a job.

Only if that person earned substantially more than the National Minimum Wage, unfortunately many people have to rely on 'in work' benefits to top up poor wages, which is the key problem IMO.

£6.19 per hour is not a living wage for anyone who lives independently, especially in London where the cost of living is bordering on extortion. The government is trying to force people off benefits and into work without ensuring that work actually pays, employers have enthusiastically joined the band wagon by introducing zero hour contracts and subverting NMW regulations, not paying travelling time between appointments for care workers is one example.

This government is rather good at forcing donkey's to pull non existent carts, while waving a paper carrot.

Horseunderwater

osdset wrote: »

Not paying travelling time between appointments for care workers is one example.

So you're saying that if a care worker has an 8 hour shift then they only get paid their hourly rate while actually at a persons home and not for the entire shift. I do not think I have ever known any employer pay for someone to travel time wise between appointments as such. If on the OH you mean mileage between each appointment then yes I'd agree with you, but that care worker can claim it back in full at the end of the tax year at a rate of 45p/mile for the first 10k car miles a year for business use. They just need to keep an accurate log of all the miles they do on the care from mileage wise.

joeblack066

Single Mum of 4 kids, all born when married, both marriages ended due to other halves- always worked, no freakin quibbling about JCP cos never signed on! Amazing but it works lol! As of now, 3 grown up sons all working, with excellent work and responsibility ethics. Youngest still at school, understands all about how things work in the real world, unlike her friends who at 14 thought if you worked you get ALL the benefits and ALL your wages!!! Pfffft. Stop spending time arguing with JCP and throw your energy into at least preparing to work, ie a course, volunteering, if you're not 'ready' to work yet.

chris1973

Aren't most 14 year olds hanging with their mates after school these days?, given the crowds often hanging around the shopping precinct / chip shop / Mcdonalds for hours after school, suggest that they aren't running straight home to Mummy to be tied to her apron strings.

I would think its the same all over the country, most teenagers prefer to do homework / play minecraft or generally spend time with their peers after school, leaving the point as to whether Mummy is at home pretty immaterial to this age group.

I would imagine it would quite uncool (and completely horrifying) for any teenager these days to be commanded to go directly home from School to Mummy, and I imagine in reality very few do, unless its to get changed in order to go straight out to join their mates again.

Its no longer the 1930's.....

dktreesea

There is no legal age limit for leaving a child on their own, but it is an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk. Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised ‘in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health’ (Source: Children and Young Person’s Act).

Surely if JCP is telling someone they have to be available to work certain hours , say, 8am to 8pm, because the child is now 14/13/12/11/10 and can legally be left at home alone, the parent only has to say that isn't feasible because they would consider their child at risk, and their particular child is not mature enough to be left home alone.

The law may not stipulate an age when it is legal to leave your children home alone, but it is illegal to leave a child home alone if doing so would subject them to any risk. If the child finds being left at home alone is frightening, then presumably this is causing unnecessary suffering.

ArtoDeeto

ArtoDeeto wrote: »

I have heard that JCP are telling job seekers who have children that once the child reaches 14 that they must look for full- time work between 8am - 8pm. They are saying that the law states that a child reaches 14 they can be left alone!
This is not true and would be up to the parent to decide depending on the child"

So what maybe you want to wait till they are 18? Is full time work that scary???