An "unprecedented and historic result"

Sampong

PaulF81 wrote: »

One word Devon. Jealousy.

Local tory councilors around my area have really taken it badly. Insults to the abilities of the UKIP candidates abound, and the excuses range from "protest vote" to "low turn out".

No mention of the absolute, utter, disgraceful, unbelievable, astonishing, inconceivable, downright, pure, sheer,

FAILURE

of the conservative government and their policies.

Having said that I do sympathize to a degree with tory's, I know a lot of them who want out of Europe and are not impressed with their leader, but I am afraid this is a democracy and if they don't like it - then either defect to UKIP or start kicking of at your leader.

antrobus

Sampong wrote: »

Like all self righteous keyboard warriors can't resist....

What on earth are you on about?

It's just funny that some pro-UKIP person doesn't seem to know that their party leader is member of the "public school elite, a banker and a business man"

Sampong wrote: »

.. There is a clear difference between Farage and the like of Cameron. ..

Yes, I'm sure you're right. Farage is the personification of every virtue known to man and Cameron is just a slippery twonk.

Thrugelmir

Sampong wrote: »

No mention of the absolute, utter, disgraceful, unbelievable, astonishing, inconceivable, downright, pure, sheer,

FAILURE

of the conservative government and their policies.

UKIP appear to be another version of the Greens. Hijacked by moles within who have their own agendas. If you are representative of them.

PaulF81

Sampong wrote: »

Local tory councilors around my area have really taken it badly. Insults to the abilities of the UKIP candidates abound, and the excuses range from "protest vote" to "low turn out".

No mention of the absolute, utter, disgraceful, unbelievable, astonishing, inconceivable, downright, pure, sheer,

FAILURE

of the conservative government and their policies.

Having said that I do sympathize to a degree with tory's, I know a lot of them who want out of Europe and are not impressed with their leader, but I am afraid this is a democracy and if they don't like it - then either defect to UKIP or start kicking of at your leader.

i was talking about socialists who are in the main left as they dont have the natural innate ability to be successful. its no surprise they are jealous really. but they really need to understand the natural order of things.

StevieJ

michaels wrote: »

Which should be mine to choose - I have never smoked but it is not for me to decide whether I would prefer to smoke and risk dying younger or not to do so and spend an extra ten years in old age penury and confusion.

It is a very dangerous situation when one group of adults thinks to presume they know what is best for another adult.

Even more dangerous for a non smoking worker in those establishments, or even friends of smokers who feel obliged to enter them

antrobus

Devon_Sailor wrote: »

....I agree with an earlier poster though - of all the main leaders Miliband has most to worry about. They have been hammering home for months how UKIP are only taking votes from disgruntled Tories. Well, even my billy-bob basic maths makes that a 50%+ nightmare headache in England for EM.

Hypothetically speaking, where UKIP to win 20% + of the popular vote at a GE then, goodness knows what it would mean in terms of seats. But even if they were only taking seats off the Cons, it's pretty good bet that they'd be taking seats that Lab would need to get a majority and so spoil the Milibean's plans.

Personally I think that a populist right party that can't blamed for anything in the past is pretty much Ed M's worst nightmare.

StevieJ

PaulF81 wrote: »

i was talking about socialists who are in the main left as they dont have the natural innate ability to be successful. its no surprise they are jealous really. but they really need to understand the natural order of things.

Yes OK

lair Inc: How Tony Blair makes his fortune

We knew Tony Blair was making a lot of money. Now for the first time, we have the clearest indication yet of just how much.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/8999847/Blair-Inc-How-Tony-Blair-makes-his-fortune.html

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

Personally I think that a populist right party that can't blamed for anything in the past is pretty much Ed M's worst nightmare.

The core issues transcend political boundaries. As these are National issues that need debating. We all know the direction of travel. The key issues. So who is the major party steering the Government makes relatively little difference. Providing the correct course is maintained.

pqrdef

Thrugelmir wrote: »

He was Director of Corporate Affairs at Carlton Communications for seven years.

So did he see that job on a card at the Job Centre? Or does a fast track to the boardroom tell us a lot about the kind of world he lives in, and we don't?

Devon_Sailor

antrobus wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, where UKIP to win 20% + of the popular vote at a GE then, goodness knows what it would mean in terms of seats. But even if they were only taking seats off the Cons, it's pretty good bet that they'd be taking seats that Lab would need to get a majority and so spoil the Milibean's plans.

Personally I think that a populist right party that can't blamed for anything in the past is pretty much Ed M's worst nightmare.

That's the trouble though Antrobus. 20% + of "the popular vote" means diddly squat in a first past the post race. 20% is not going to win a single parliamentary constituency seat. 20% (or even just 10% - lets assume that only half of those who voted UKIP in the locals were disgruntled Tories) loss of vote for a Conservative candidate, across the board, would torpedo many, many currently held Tory marginals.

It really is quite a difficult result to call. It is either a dream scenario for EM (Tories loosing votes all over the shop) or a nightmare one (for example if those 10% came BACK to the Cons in 2015 - which would put many more Labour marginals into play).

Regards

DS