An "unprecedented and historic result"

Sampong

antrobus wrote: »

Well, let's spell it out;

Like all self righteous keyboard warriors can't resist.

antrobus wrote: »

But Farage is a member of the public school elite, a banker and a business man. It's just funny the misconceptions some people have about things.

Well now let me spell it out for you. There is a clear difference between Farage and the like of Cameron. Cameron is a career politician who went straight from Eton into political research offices - is totally disconnected from the general population, knows nothing other than the political world, and has never worked in a real job in his life.

Farage on the other hand, as you well point out, was in business as a commodities trader, has a firm grasp of economics (having predicted the need for Eurozone bailouts before the EC and ECB officials admitted there would be need for such measures. Granted, he was private school educated but he is very much in touch with the real world. A person who has spent 20 years in business has a different insight to someone who has only ever worked in politics.

BobQ

Sampong wrote: »

Like all self righteous keyboard warriors can't resist.




Well now let me spell it out for you. There is a clear difference between Farage and the like of Cameron. Cameron is a career politician who went straight from Eton into political research offices - is totally disconnected from the general population, knows nothing other than the political world, and has never worked in a real job in his life.

Farage on the other hand, as you well point out, was in business as a commodities trader, has a firm grasp of economics (having predicted the need for Eurozone bailouts before the EC and ECB officials admitted there would be need for such measures. Granted, he was private school educated but he is very much in touch with the real world. A person who has spent 20 years in business has a different insight to someone who has only ever worked in politics.

What a value judgement you make. Cameron went into political research and knows nothing of the world. Farage became a commodity trader, an august profession of great social value, so knows about the real world.

Sampong

BobQ wrote: »

What a value judgement you make. Cameron went into political research and knows nothing of the world. Farage became a commodity trader, an august profession of great social value, so knows about the real world.

wooossh! .

Thrugelmir

Sampong wrote: »

Well now let me spell it out for you. There is a clear difference between Farage and the like of Cameron. Cameron is a career politician who went straight from Eton into political research offices - is totally disconnected from the general population, knows nothing other than the political world, and has never worked in a real job in his life.

Then you are incorrect.

He was Director of Corporate Affairs at Carlton Communications for seven years.

dktreesea

If the powers that be are wrong about the Romanians and Bulgarians, and they do indeed arrive in great numbers (and why wouldn't they?), that will probably give a bit more credibility to UKIP.

There's quite a few of their policies that could resonate with a significant part of the electorate, if only they would make a bit more effort to publicise them, not to mention improve their website, which is terrible.

Things like a very high personal allowance, which is transferable if you are say a stay at home Mum with just one parent working in the family, restrictions on immigrants access to the social welfare system, controlling our borders better and managing the illegal immigrants problem.

But then they shoot themselves in the foot by not having any policies for other key areas up on their website. E.g. education and social welfare. Do they not rate these topics? Can they simply not be bothered? All the other major parties have polices in these two areas. Where are UKIP's?

Moby

Sampong wrote: »

Hardly - that was an old fashioned woman who clearly means no harm.

On the other hand, since you keep trying to dig for dirt on UKIP (and failing miserably) check out the latest rape allegations for the conservatives;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10037911/Deputy-Speaker-Nigel-Evans-arrested-on-suspicion-of-rape.html

Corr blimey there is a turn up for the book eh Moby?

I agree she didn't mean any harm......but it does say something about their rather concentrated support base...which is amongst the elderly.
Re. Evans allegations.....its not been a good week for them has it! ..........! I remember him as a rising tory star of the nineties who sort of disappeared off the radar.

Sampong

Moby wrote: »

I agree she didn't mean any harm

So why try (once again) to infer that UKIP supporters are racist? Here is your comment;

Moby wrote: »

They are made up of unreconstructed bigot's who still use 'coloured' to describe a black person...shameful!:(

Which you now seem to have removed from this thread?

Moby wrote: »

......but it does say something about their rather concentrated support base...which is amongst the elderly.

And what does it say about their support base? Is there something wrong with senior citizens? Perhaps you think they should have their right to vote removed?

Moby wrote: »

Re. Evans allegations.....its not been a good week for them has it! ..........! I remember him as a rising tory star of the nineties who sort of disappeared off the radar.

Oh you get it then. So will you concede then that a little dirt can be found on a small number of members from any political party? The best you could come up with is a slip of the tounge from a somewhat dithery local level UKIP candidate. And now we have a tory MP being charged with rape.

Devon_Sailor

Moby wrote: »

DS
Your post over cooks how bad Labour results were; wishful thinking? Please remember this was the tory constituency! No-where was it predicted that Labour would get 500 seats. The expectation was 300 on the Andrew Neill show last week....!

Morning Moby,

Ok, maybe it did just a little However, the fact remains that Miliband revised his "realistic baseline" downwards over the course of the campaign to 300, and still failed to achieve it.

I think actually the Tories got off pretty lightly (relatively speaking); yes they lost overall control of quite a few places but they were not completely blown away anywhere and to come away with the number of losses that they did is almost a remarkable let-off.

The Libs got a sound thrashing (good! ).

I agree with an earlier poster though - of all the main leaders Miliband has most to worry about. They have been hammering home for months how UKIP are only taking votes from disgruntled Tories. Well, even my billy-bob basic maths makes that a 50%+ nightmare headache in England for EM.

I genuinely think Clegg is in his own little pocket of parallel universe and still believes he is popular and "right on" with the electorate. Surely extinction beckons?

DS

Devon_Sailor

Sampong wrote: »

Granted, he was private school educated but he is very much in touch with the real world. A person who has spent 20 years in business has a different insight to someone who has only ever worked in politics.

I suppose it is all a question of perspective.

A 20-year career commodities trader, generally speaking will be pretty sharp and well off. In fact, I would imagine if he is worth employing for 20 years in that sort of business world, significantly well off.

He has no more experience of the "real world" that the vast majority of the population inhabit than Cameron, Miliband or the Pope! We are each product of our own lives and environments. To say that because he worked in business for that long he can connect better with the single working mother, or the hard pressed farmer facing a foot and mouth outbreak, or even Joe Public in his retail sales or admin job, is quite frankly disingenuous at best, ridiculous at worst. What on earth happened to the "best person for the job" mantra? I don't care if the country is governed by someone who grew up with gold taps and a personal a*se cleaner, as long as they are good enough....same goes if the aforementioned a*se cleaner decides to alter his lot in life and enter politics! :rotfl:

This obsession that Labour and the Media have created over "class" and background is preposterous and damaging. Are you really saying that if a man or woman of immense talent and standing, with supreme characteristics of leadership, empathy and brilliant ideas for the future of this country came forward (hypothetical...not Cameron lol) you WOULDNT vote for them simply on the basis of their public school background? Should Churchill have been given the bums rush in 1940 because he didn't speak estury English and grow up in a slum somewhere?

I am by no means one of those Tories who took the easy option of branding UKIP loons and fruitcakes. I think the party has a lot worth listening to and investigating further to see if it can be made into acceptable and workable policy...however, if you are so easily sucked in by the divisive Leftish mantra of defunked class warriordom then you guys need to dig out the big floppy shoes and red noses! :eek:

Regards

DS

PaulF81

One word Devon. Jealousy.