This so called Bedroom Tax

Dunroamin

365days wrote: »

I'll put it bluntly...why should I pay someone who doesn't work and never has to live here.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-41435141.html

When they could live here.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-26615661.html

I completely agree and the savings would be enormously greater for a 3 bed house.

princessdon

nottslass wrote: »

Another thought...........

What about a family who has lived and worked for many years in a particular area,the kids are doing well at school,good local childcare,extended family support etc,etc are forced to downsize to an area where local transport is scarce,meaning they cannot get to work,cannot find suitable childcare and the schools are failing.

The reality could mean that they have no option but to give up work.

Ok so you may compare it to people in private rentals and this is a problem that they also face,but we have to remember that many signed up on the basis that a "tendency was for life" and have thus based their life and work around a particular area.

We also need to remember that some may only be in receipt of HB because of redundancy or sickness and will face considerable hardship whilst they find another job,whilst someone else who hasn't worked for years will be getting their private rent paid for in full................

The biggest under occupiers are pensioners,and they are exempt from the "bed room tax" There would quite rightly be up roar if sweet little old dears who have lived in thier home for 60 years were forced to move,so why is it ok for move hard working families ?

But that's the same for everyone, private rental or mortgage. Most face a shortfall on benefits and from posts on here a lot more than the amount social housing tenants are paying. If I need benefits would you be happy for tax payers to pick up all my housing costs? Or would you say "if you can't afford the mortgage repayments then your only option is to move".

midnight_express

365days wrote: »

I'll put it bluntly...why should I pay someone who doesn't work and never has to live here.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-41435141.html

When they could live here.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-26615661.html

THat took me back, I lived in that street in London for ten years.

365days

midnight_express wrote: »

THat took me back, I lived in that street in London for ten years.

I lived not too far away too

StormyWeather_2

nottslass wrote: »

Another thought...........

What about a family who has lived and worked for many years in a particular area,the kids are doing well at school,good local childcare,extended family support etc,etc are forced to downsize to an area where local transport is scarce,meaning they cannot get to work,cannot find suitable childcare and the schools are failing.

The reality could mean that they have no option but to give up work.

I think it's unlikely that they'd choose to give up work. It's more likely they'll rework their finances, try to get a few extra hours work, try to cut back a few hours on childcare, ask their family for more practical support or look for a higher paying job.

clemmatis

365days wrote: »

Yes of course!!

To an underresourced region with too few doctors and far higher unemployment; where councils are selling what they can and cutting services and raising tax.

If you have lived in London/South East and been unemployed for 5 years or more, then frankly you don't want to work.

Nearly half the people affected by the "bedroom tax" are EMPLOYED.

clemmatis

365days wrote: »

I'll put it bluntly...why should I pay someone who doesn't work and never has to live here.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-41435141.html

When they could live here.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-26615661.html

Do you have any figures at all for the % of people affected by the "bedroom tax" who have never worked?

Dunroamin

clemmatis wrote: »

Nearly half the people affected by the "bedroom tax" are EMPLOYED.

And the majority of those aren't employed full time and already receive large sums of money to supplement their earnings from tax credits.

365days

clemmatis wrote: »

Do you have any figures at all for the % of people affected by the "bedroom tax" who have never worked?

No I don't but I do know that working people will not be affected by the benefit cap. I know this thread isn't about that but they kind of go hand in hand.

The days of unemployed people living in the countries most expensive accomodation is coming to an end.
http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/housing_benefit_and_local_housing_allowance/changes_to_local_housing_allowance/benefit_cap_from_2013

Therefore empty properties in cheaper areas will, I suggest, not stay empty for long.

clemmatis

Dunroamin wrote: »

And the majority of those aren't employed full time and already receive large sums of money to supplement their earnings from tax credits.

I didn't check that but I'm not surprised, given the growth in part-time and zero hour jobs.