This so called Bedroom Tax

seven-day-weekend

Pippin12 wrote: »

I'm paying the bedroom tax. I have to say though that despite this I feel enormously fortunate to have a council property at all. For years I used to rent privately and always assumed that the same rules regarding 'under occupancy' applied to social housing too so expected that I would have to pay extra on top of my HB. Consequently the bedroom tax didn't come as a shock. I have security of tenure here and that is enormously valuable to me. I feel like I can put down roots after years of being shunted from pillar to post in the private sector. Well worth £10 a week extra if you ask me.

Great post. How refreshing.

clemmatis

Dunroamin wrote: »

I've given you examples of how many people (including myself at times) pay for services twice and you still won't accept it.

Nannytone accepts that people do pay "twice". The issue is whether if she has a contract for a service she should be expected to pay extra, and without complaint. (Hint: no she should not.)

You're just arguing in an attempt to to defend the indefensible.

Funny.

kafkathecat

People need jobs and secure homes without that you have a restless rootless underclass. Instead of all this divide and rule hurt them not me stuff people need to look at the bigger picture. Making life worse for those at the bottom makes life worse for everyone in the long run. For example the less people receive in benefits the less you are willing to work for. Nobody benefits in the end except those at the very top.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/longterm-renting-is-damaging-childrens-lives-8598584.html

charlieismydarling

I used to sometimes go with him to places and have seen him change lightbulbs for perfectly fit able people.

Why did you go with him to tenants' houses when he was working and presumably being paid? Didn't they mind? I certainly would.

On looking at Mosiac's website they are more than a HA, they provide supported living for one thing, where it might be the norm to provide more than the basics. So your post is misleading.

Dunroamin

clemmatis wrote: »

Nannytone accepts that people do pay "twice". The issue is whether if she has a contract for a service she should be expected to pay extra, and without complaint. (Hint: no she should not.)
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I disagree - I don't think that the thought had ever crossed her mind.

"im sure that if you had a binding contract for a service, you WOULD NOT pay for that service out of your own pocket"

Dunroamin

kafkathecat wrote: »

People need jobs and secure homes without that you have a restless rootless underclass.

It seems to me that most of the underclass are those whose families have lived in the same area for many years (often in social housing) and who are averse to change of any kind.

The "rootless" people are usually those who've moved to find employment and better themselves and escape the underclass.

clemmatis

Dunroamin wrote: »

I disagree - I don't think that the thought had ever crossed her mind.

"im sure that if you had a binding contract for a service, you WOULD NOT pay for that service out of your own pocket"

I suggest you read my post again.

midnight_express

kafkathecat wrote: »

People need jobs and secure homes without that you have a restless rootless underclass. Instead of all this divide and rule hurt them not me stuff people need to look at the bigger picture. Making life worse for those at the bottom makes life worse for everyone in the long run. For example the less people receive in benefits the less you are willing to work for. Nobody benefits in the end except those at the very top.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/longterm-renting-is-damaging-childrens-lives-8598584.html

It is the benefits system and social housing that have created the underclass and the ghettos that they live in.

DomRavioli

midnight_express wrote: »

It is the benefits system and social housing that have created the underclass and the ghettos that they live in.

Oh dear. I live in Social Housing, and it is not a "ghetto"; I also have some assistance with finances, yet I am not in an "underclass" - I have a very good degree, and am part way through my second degree, I work, and also have an incurable health condition which limits my abilities at the present moment.

My rent is higher than the average private rental in the area, and the houses are well kept (its written in the tenancy agreement that you are to keep gardens, paths and yards in a decent condition, free from debris and other hazards) and the neighbours are lovely people. And I live in one of the top 10 deprived places in the UK; there are some idiots who choose to abuse their environment, but thankfully, those people, due to the housing reforms which started taking place a long time ago (such as council housing going to ALMO's and other SL) are long gone.

I suggest you take a look at the whole of society, and take the blinkers off...

Morlock

Pippin12 wrote: »

I'm paying the bedroom tax. I have to say though that despite this I feel enormously fortunate to have a council property at all. For years I used to rent privately and always assumed that the same rules regarding 'under occupancy' applied to social housing too so expected that I would have to pay extra on top of my HB. Consequently the bedroom tax didn't come as a shock. I have security of tenure here and that is enormously valuable to me. I feel like I can put down roots after years of being shunted from pillar to post in the private sector. Well worth £10 a week extra if you ask me.

You obviously do not claim JSA, so the bedroom tax is a lesser percentage of your weekly income and more easily payable than others who do claim JSA.