This so called Bedroom Tax

Dunroamin

nannytone wrote: »

explain then.
because when i paid full rent to the council for the property i lived in..
i was immoral because i expected them to keep the terms of the contract byt maintaining the structure of the building instead of paying for it myselit had to have a new roof as well, because i had water running down the bedroom wall. another 'pocket money job' that i should have paid for too presumably?

I never said or implied that you were immoral so don't put words in my mouth.

It simply seems to me to be wrong to expect the council or social landlord to do basic, small repairs like mending a broken window or sorting out a leak and then spend your own money on luxuries like fitted wardrobes and new kitchens. Having these repairs done for you if you're penniless is rather different from letting someone else pay when you have the money available but choose to spend it elsewhere.

Dunroamin

ditzyangeluk wrote: »

Oh I have but it is annoying to be toild to pay nothing until sorted (as I was at first), then told different things and then for it to take so long. Its a debacle to say the least when it was so hurried thoguh in the first place

That's good. It'd be a shame if you couldn't do an exchange at some point in the future because you're in arrears.

lighting_up_the_chalice

ditzyangeluk wrote: »

Oh I have but it is annoying to be toild to pay nothing until sorted (as I was at first), then told different things and then for it to take so long. Its a debacle to say the least when it was so hurried thoguh in the first place

What was "hurried through"? Certainly NOT the bedroom tax. That journey started over 2 years ago.

And I still don't see how you have accrued 3 weeks rent arrears after 4 weeks of a (maximum) 25% reduction???

ditzyangeluk

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

What was "hurried through"? Certainly NOT the bedroom tax. That journey started over 2 years ago.

And I still don't see how you have accrued 3 weeks rent arrears after 4 weeks of a (maximum) 25% reduction???

They said the arrears were from 15th, 22nd and 29th April of non-payments of the room tax.

The hurrying through I referred to was notification of it only being sent two weeks before the start of it

nannytone_2

Dunroamin wrote: »

I never said or implied that you were immoral so don't put words in my mouth.

It simply seems to me to be wrong to expect the council or social landlord to do basic, small repairs like mending a broken window or sorting out a leak and then spend your own money on luxuries like fitted wardrobes and new kitchens. Having these repairs done for you if you're penniless is rather different from letting someone else pay when you have the money available but choose to spend it elsewhere.

as i already stated ... it wasnt a 'minor' broken window. it was a 90 year old sash window measuring 5 foot by 4 foot. the window came out complete with frame! the leak was caused by the fact that the roof needed replacing!
stop trying to justify yourself by trying to make out that the council were called to fix no more than a dripping tap!

i had fotted wardrobes and a new kichen ( at cost as my father made them) but regardless... tenants pay rent and keep the home decoration and gardens in good order as their part of the contract. the councils part of the contract is to maintain the building.
you really spout nonsense at times.

nannytone_2

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

I accept that taking in a lodger isn't THE solution, and isn't always appropriate. However, it is ONE solution and the knock-on effect may also help those for whom it is inappropriate by reducing demand for 1 bed units in favour of 2 beds.

We need to get away from the notion that when a young person leaves the family home, they are entitled to self contained accommodation. The fact is that, in many cases, this is the most inappropriate housing option and young people may have to do what so many of us did when we left home and share, both housing AND the bills.

Another factor which will help many to resolve their housing issues is the changes to CTB, another reform that many don't agree with. Until now, single people could have their council flat, rent paid, council tax paid and, effectively, if they didn't live there, there was no additional cost. Now they are, at the very least, having to pay some of their Council Tax. Is it just coincidence that there has been a noticeable increase in posters here asking about their entitlement should they suddenly decide to live together?

Obviously, this is an area of the grey market impossible to quantify, but a significant number of single person SH units remain unoccupied in any real sense as their tenant lives elsewhere with, until now, no financial penalty (in fact, it was advantageous to be 2 singles rather than 1 couple). At last, that situation is changing. Even if that means that our unromantic friends move back to mums (on paper, at least), it will still free up some valuable public resource. Who could argue that as anything other than a positive move?

i must say that i have come around to agreeing with the changes in council tax. and while i understanf what you are saying about single people to a degree, and certainly with regards to young single people.
i am 50, and worked for 30 years, until i could no longer manage.
i am very appreciative that i was allocated my home, in a time of real need (not choice based)
if i had an alternative, i would happily movei never had excessive amounts of income, but managed. now 4 weeks after these changes, i'm already robbing peter to pay paul. god forbid what will happen if i have any kind of emergency.
it's a very stressful way to live and the lack of suitable properties makes me deel like i have been forced in to the position i am in.until just under 2 years ago, i had always been self supportingbut now i am not... through no fault of my own. and there are hundreds of thousand of people in the same, if not worse positions.

by all means, make people pay for choices ... but not for having no alternative

lighting_up_the_chalice

ditzyangeluk wrote: »

They said the arrears were from 15th, 22nd and 29th April of non-payments of the room tax.

The hurrying through I referred to was notification of it only being sent two weeks before the start of it

So you aren't even in arrears by one weeks rent, let alone the 3 you mentioned earlier?

DHP is a short term payment intended to give you an opportunity to address a specific issue. As such, it will never be available until the point of need.

DHP is only a short term sticking plaster. Longer term, you will have to either cough up or leave and let a larger family enjoy the home that has given you so much over the years. Far better to take this opportunity to plan your next move, rather than waste it by pretending it will never happen and being totally unprepared when it does..

lighting_up_the_chalice

nannytone wrote: »

i must say that i have come around to agreeing with the changes in council tax. and while i understanf what you are saying about single people to a degree, and certainly with regards to young single people.
i am 50, and worked for 30 years, until i could no longer manage.
i am very appreciative that i was allocated my home, in a time of real need (not choice based)
if i had an alternative, i would happily movei never had excessive amounts of income, but managed. now 4 weeks after these changes, i'm already robbing peter to pay paul. god forbid what will happen if i have any kind of emergency.
it's a very stressful way to live and the lack of suitable properties makes me deel like i have been forced in to the position i am in.until just under 2 years ago, i had always been self supportingbut now i am not... through no fault of my own. and there are hundreds of thousand of people in the same, if not worse positions.

by all means, make people pay for choices ... but not for having no alternative

You always have a choice. The bedroom tax was well publicised long before you accepted your current tenancy....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12486158

No-one put anyones arm up their back or forced you to sign on the dotted line.

nannytone_2

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

You always have a choice. The bedroom tax was well publicised long before you accepted your current tenancy....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12486158

No-one put anyones arm up their back or forced you to sign on the dotted line.

the choice i had was to take this property or be homeless.
some choice

lighting_up_the_chalice

nannytone wrote: »

the choice i had was to take this property or be homeless.
some choice

You and I both know that's utter rubbish.