This so called Bedroom Tax

nottslass_2

Can anyone please explain the logic of this ?

Rent for 3 bed LA house is £87 pw

Tennent is over occupying one bedroom and cannot afford the extra rent now payable.

Therefore Tenant moves into private rental.

LHA rate for a 2 bed property is £106.


This so called "bed room tax" now costs the tax payer an extra
£19 pw........... (based on our LA Rates)

COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS !!!!!!!

nannytone_2

nottslass wrote: »

Can anyone please explain the logic of this ?

Rent for 3 bed LA house is £87 pw

Tennent is over occupying one bedroom and cannot afford the extra rent now payable.

Therefore Tenant moves into private rental.

LHA rate for a 2 bed property is £106.


This so called "bed room tax" now costs the tax payer an extra
£19 pw........... (based on our LA Rates)

COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS !!!!!!!

the logic is that the LHA payable for a 2 bed house is less than the LHA rate for a 3 bed house. if the tenant moves into a 2 bed let, it frees the property for someone who receives 3 bed LHA rate to move in.

nannytone_2

catkins wrote: »

You obviously don't know much about social housing then. As I said in my previous post it is common for London housing associations to supply carpets and white goods and if a new tenant moves in even if those items are only a few months old they are replaced. The properties are often redecorated too although they usually do not need it.

i acknowledged this in an earlier post.

as i said, the bashers will be thrilled to learn that not only are they pauying 'scroungers' rent but they are also paying for their white goods and carpets too;
i bet their almost incandescent

sulkisu

catkins wrote: »

My husband has worked for 3 different housing associations in London and they all put new carpet and fridges, washing machines etc into their properties. Often if a tenant moves out even if they have only lived there for a few months the next tenant gets all new items.

One property had all new quite expensive carpet and the new tenant decided she didn't like it so complained and my husband had the job of removing it and taking it to the tip! It had been down all of 2 weeks! He took it up and put it into our rented house which had no carpet. It carpeted our living room, dining room, stairs and landing. It is a very good quality (we could not have afforded to pay for it) and has been down for about 8 years and looks good as new.

I think people would be pretty horrified to hear what some of the tenants get and if they moan that the washing machine or whatever is not good enough they get an even better model. One of the reasons my husband changed his job was because he got sick of a lot of the tenants' attitudes. A central London flat or house at a ridiculously cheap rent and still they moaned about something.

I would be also be interested to know which HA's these were (surely you can name one ). I also worked in social housing in London - for four years - and the only time that I saw white goods provided (either by my HA or the dozens of others that we worked in conjunction with), was in the supported housing or where it was instructed (and paid for) by Social Services where the families were deemed vulnerable. If it had happened or was common place, I would say so - I am not trying to make a point and I have absolutely no reason to lie!

And if a social housing tenant doesn't like the carpet in a property, why shouldn't they ask for it to be removed - as long as they are paying for the replacement themselves?

I didn't like OP's sense of entitlement in her opening post, but that doesn't mean that this should become a social hosuing tenant bashing thread. Many (possibly most) of them work, pay their own rent, pay taxes and were just fortunate enough at some point to be offered a council/HA property.

paddedjohn

nannytone wrote: »

i acknowledged this in an earlier post.

as i said, the bashers will be thrilled to learn that not only are they pauying 'scroungers' rent but they are also paying for their white goods and carpets too;
i bet their almost incandescent

Not really, many private lets also have washer dryers, cookers, fridge freezers in them included in the rent, nothing new about that

catkins

sulkisu wrote: »

I would be also be interested to know which HA's these were (surely you can name one ). I also worked in social housing in London - for four years - and the only time that I saw white goods provided (either by my HA or the dozens of others that we worked in conjunction with), was in the supported housing or where it was instructed (and paid for) by Social Services where the families were deemed vulnerable. If it had happened or was common place, I would say so - I am not trying to make a point and I have absolutely no reason to lie!

And if a social housing tenant doesn't like the carpet in a property, why shouldn't they ask for it to be removed - as long as they are paying for the replacement themselves?

I didn't like OP's sense of entitlement in her opening post, but that doesn't mean that this should become a social hosuing tenant bashing thread. Many (possibly most) of them work, pay their own rent, pay taxes and were just fortunate enough at some point to be offered a council/HA property.

Family Mosaic was one of the housing associations he worked for.

The tenant did not pay for the replacement carpet though. The first carpet was lovely (as I say we still have it down in our house) and very very good quality, certainly better quality than we have ever been able to afford.

I am not knocking social housing tenants but some of them really would get a shock if they had to rent privately. I certainly would not mind one of the London flats at dirt cheap rent whereas a lot of them just moan about everything and even if a lightbulb blows they want the HA to replace it.

nannytone_2

paddedjohn wrote: »

Not really, many private lets also have washer dryers, cookers, fridge freezers in them included in the rent, nothing new about that

that wasnt why i made the remark.

many people comment on hoow easy social housing tenants have it compared to the private secto, but pointing out that private tenants fet 'extras' falls on deaf ears.
for them to find out that the 'ever so fortunate' social gousing tenants can also get 'added perks' will be a blow.

nannytone_2

catkins wrote: »

Family Mosaic was one of the housing associations he worked for.

The tenant did not pay for the replacement carpet though. The first carpet was lovely (as I say we still have it down in our house) and very very good quality, certainly better quality than we have ever been able to afford.

I am not knocking social housing tenants but some of them really would get a shock if they had to rent privately. I certainly would not mind one of the London flats at dirt cheap rent whereas a lot of them just moan about everything and even if a lightbulb blows they want the HA to replace it.

i think a lot of it depends on who your council/ha are.
i lived in london fpr the first 41 years of my life, and had a council house. i paid full rent, but that isnt the issue.
if the ancient heating /water system broke ( as it often did) you could go for months without heating or hot water. you could wait a year or more for a broken window to be replaced. in the storms of 1987 my living room window broke ... not a crack or a small hole ... the entire window came out.
it took them 2 days to come rounnd to biard it up... they tild me to stick cardboard over it! it was another 8 months before it was replaced. in that time i had no daylight and no ventilation in the room.
but they quite happily accepted my full rent.

at the moment i receive HB, but even if i didnt, i wouldnt complain about the amount of rent ( in my area social housing rents are on a par with the private sector) as if i have an issue, the HA resolve it within days

Dunroamin

nannytone wrote: »

i think a lot of it depends on who your council/ha are.
i lived in london fpr the first 41 years of my life, and had a council house. i paid full rent, but that isnt the issue.
if the ancient heating /water system broke ( as it often did) you could go for months without heating or hot water. you could wait a year or more for a broken window to be replaced. in the storms of 1987 my living room window broke ... not a crack or a small hole ... the entire window came out.
it took them 2 days to come rounnd to biard it up... they tild me to stick cardboard over it! it was another 8 months before it was replaced. in that time i had no daylight and no ventilation in the room.
but they quite happily accepted my full rent.

Of course, you could do what most people do and see to basic repairs for yourself and claim on your insurance for broken windows.

nannytone_2

it was an old fashined sash window that blew out because it had been there for 90+ years! rasic repair?
fixinfg the heating and water? basic repair?

i had contents insurance, that doesnt cober replacing windows and frames!

in case you didnt know ... you cant get buildings insurance on a rented property,. regardless, the property belonged to the council, and the signed tenancy agreement stated that these items were the councils responsibility