17 year old speeding, will he get banned

anewman

Gold_Shogun wrote: »

Thanks for the Update, Bob.

Overall, I'd consider that a "Fair & Considerate Penalty"
A) ... It hopefully scares the lad into better driving in the future.
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... Without giving him such a large penalty OR destroying/removing his incentive to improve & gain experience.
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C) ... Without making it MUCH herder for your lad to continue working
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D) ... Crates a "Scary Food-for-thought" Penalty for your lad WITHOUT making him so bitter that he mutates into one of the "Steal a Car OR Drive Uninsured/Disqualified" Smegheads that are unfortunately so common today.

So the moral of the story is it's fine to speed double the limit until the police catch you, and you can always use the fact you have a job and lack of experience in your favour?! Something wrong there! There's no doubt he'll have been speeding many times before but was unlucky getting caught this time. The consequences of speeding are clear yet out of sheer ignorance he's been speeding, got caught and obviously wants a way out. IMO there should not be a way out - if he loses his job maybe he'll realise not to speed in future when he gets his next job. I think it would be a much better lesson than a tap on the wrist and being told he was a naughty boy.

A "fair & considerate penalty" may well lead to - "Well I did double the limit and all I got was...." style bragging (not so dissimilar to having ASBOS as a badge of honour) - leading to more speeding. This is not what we want on the roads.

Gold_Shogun

anewman wrote: »

So the moral of the story is ...

I think it would be a much better lesson than a tap on the wrist and being told he was a naughty boy.

A "fair & considerate penalty" may well lead to - "Well I did double the limit and all I got was...." style bragging - leading to more speeding. This is not what we want on the roads.

I disagree ... 3 Points would have effectively been "a slap on the wrist" ... 6 points on a first offence for a sub-2-year driver is equivalent to giving a more experienced driver a Full 12 points on a similar first offence.

In EITHER case, it gives an effective "Final Warning" as ANY SECOND Offence will automatically result in a ban, whilt STILL giving the offender a "2nd Chance" to LEARN from his mistake.

If you watch any of the "UK Traffic Police" shows & compare this lad to many of the typical (& often much older & more experienced) chavs out there who make it a "Permanent Lifestyle" to steal / Joyride / Drive Drunk-Uninsured-Disqualified-Unlicenced, then you would possibly accept that in THIS Particular Case, it appears that this Lad IS trying to be better than that.

As for your unproven statement that "There's no doubt he'll have been speeding many times before" ... Please think about that a minute BEFORE you start throwing stones at that particular glass house, as it's so obviously a total Red Herring ....
... To the best of my knowledge, I have NEVER met ANY vehicle driver (that has actually been a driver for more than a week or two) who can truthfully say that they have NEVER broken ANY Traffic Law of one sort or another ... If I ever did meet someone who claimed that, I suspect I would find it VERY hard to believe him/her.

Almost everybody deserves at least ONE "2nd chance", especially where nobody actually suffered any harm AND the offender stands a reasonable chance of learning from their mistake to improve themselves ... Better that than to simply create yet another embittered & twisted "couldn't give a !!!!!!" smeghead of the type that is SO common today.

IF this lad had actually hurt someone or caused an accident, I might well have a stronger view, but I am (& WAS) talking about THIS particular case on the presented Facts .... NOT in general.

Cheers
Bob

Conor_3

Big_Bob_999 wrote: »

Judge fined all £145 and gave 6 points.
However since he had committed act prior to actually passing full car licence he will not be banned,

You sure about that? He's only had the bike licence 8 months so he still qaulifies for the "6 points in 2 years = ban and retest".

The fact he committed the act prior to getting the car category added is irrelevent. You get one licence. Whatever class vehicle you get prosecuted with affects everything else on that licence even if it was added before.

milkydrink

Big_Bob_999 wrote: »

He is a trainee chef at a nursing home so does not have to drive, but works funny shifts and job is a longway away 1 1/2 hrs.

With all due respect you can go a long way in an hour & a half, 45 miles away if your in a built up area & 90 miles in a non-built up area.

Now even if we go with the most conservative estimate, are you really saying that a trainee chef (which isn't a well paid job) drives 90 miles total PER DAY to work?
If we an average of the two we are talking 67.5 miles away thats 135 miles there & back.
If we go with the non-built up route we are talking a round trip of 180 miles PER DAY!!!!

Can a trainee chef really earn enough to cover the petrol for 135 (or 90 or 180) miles driving per day.

You are talking about 450 miles - 900 miles for a 5 day week.

If you are going to go down the route of he needs the licence for his job, you better come up with more realistic stats.

milkydrink

FlameCloud wrote: »

I'd wage alot of money that everyone has. However, I have NEVER gone twice the speed limit, especially in a 30 zone. It is vastly different from going 35 in the same zone. Far, far more dangerous.

Its one thing IMO to get banned for 4 speeding fines (12 pts, all of them for doing 35 etc), entirely another to get banned in one lump sum.

I really hope he does.

Gotta say I agree with this.

I've just been done for 36 in a 30 (Saturday afternoon in an industrial estate AKA Ghost town:mad: ).

Anyway there is a world of differece between being a few miles over & DOUBLE.

I think they should do points per mile. So those doing a few miles over do not get the same points as those who are going 20 miles over.

vikingaero

kimevans wrote: »

With all due respect you can go a long way in an hour & a half, 45 miles away if your in a built up area & 90 miles in a non-built up area.

Now even if we go with the most conservative estimate, are you really saying that a trainee chef (which isn't a well paid job) drives 90 miles total PER DAY to work?
If we an average of the two we are talking 67.5 miles away thats 135 miles there & back.
If we go with the non-built up route we are talking a round trip of 180 miles PER DAY!!!!

Can a trainee chef really earn enough to cover the petrol for 135 (or 90 or 180) miles driving per day.

You are talking about 450 miles - 900 miles for a 5 day week.

If you are going to go down the route of he needs the licence for his job, you better come up with more realistic stats.

Motorbikes are pretty economical. And I'd wager that the 17 year old is on a 125cc or less.

vikingaero

kimevans wrote: »

With all due respect you can go a long way in an hour & a half, 45 miles away if your in a built up area & 90 miles in a non-built up area.

Now even if we go with the most conservative estimate, are you really saying that a trainee chef (which isn't a well paid job) drives 90 miles total PER DAY to work?
If we an average of the two we are talking 67.5 miles away thats 135 miles there & back.
If we go with the non-built up route we are talking a round trip of 180 miles PER DAY!!!!

Can a trainee chef really earn enough to cover the petrol for 135 (or 90 or 180) miles driving per day.

You are talking about 450 miles - 900 miles for a 5 day week.

If you are going to go down the route of he needs the licence for his job, you better come up with more realistic stats.

Motorbikes are pretty economical. And I'd wager that the 17 year old is on a 125cc or less. Even a small car wouldn't be mega bucks for fuel.

milkydrink

vikingaero wrote: »

Motorbikes are pretty economical. And I'd wager that the 17 year old is on a 125cc or less. Even a small car wouldn't be mega bucks for fuel.

Yeah granted, but would a trainee chef really have a job that required 450 - 900 miles of travelling per week.

thats 1 & a half to 3 tanks of petrol in a car.
The OP did say the offence was commited on a bike, but he had a car now.

I personally didn't think 3 hours a day of commuting for a 17 year old trainee chef sounded like something a court would believe.

Anyway, I didn't realise at the time, but its all over with now.

mjr600

The madness of our current criminal justice system is that he is likely to receive an unusually harsh penalty for speeding. Obviously what he did was foolish, dangerous and wrong but thankfully no-one was hurt.

In the event that he commited a criminal offence and was arrested then for most matters at his age he would recieve a reprimand/caution. He would have no fine to pay, no compensation and no real long term impact on employment.

In short he could punch someone in the face, break their nose, admit it, apologise and be in and out of the Police Station with a caution within a couple of hours.

And frankly so could most of the people who have posted on this thread, those of you without previous convictions could commit a whole host of potentially serious offences with greater long term impact on a real victim and receive an Adult Caution, no compensation, no fine, no nothing but a short spell at the nick, some admin etc

Almost everyone in the UK with a car drives faster than the speed limit each day, some more so than others, it's not big or clever but it is reality.

As a motorcyclist I am aware that in an accident bikes always lose, a speeding biker takes their own life in their hands as soon as they pull on a helmet, there is a very simple way to stop a new rider speeding and it involves taking them to a mortuary to look at some bits left over after a fatal collision.

The sentence and fine this young man recieves will stem from a desire to raise money for central gov and will have nothing to do with a common sense criminal justice system and sensible preventative Policing.

To those who are proud about not having received points after years of driving it's simply the case that you haven't been caught not that you are in some way a better driver than others.

Accept that traffic offending is percieved as a cat and mouse game, offer decent advice and stop wallowing in sanctimony.

mrbadexample

Conor wrote: »

You sure about that? He's only had the bike licence 8 months so he still qaulifies for the "6 points in 2 years = ban and retest".

The fact he committed the act prior to getting the car category added is irrelevent. You get one licence. Whatever class vehicle you get prosecuted with affects everything else on that licence even if it was added before.

I'm not so sure. :think:

He has passed his car test since committing the offence, and thus demonstrated his competence to drive safely. There wouldn't be a lot of point in making him take the test again. I suppose he could be required to retake his bike test (unless he was on L-plates and hadn't passed in the first place?)