17 year old speeding, will he get banned

xycom1

To get caught speeding is not 100% unlucky, there is an element of skill involved with being undetected. Simple observation (which is essential if you are travelling above the limit, especially at twice the limit) will help you eliminate the presence of speed cameras and marked Police cars. Further observation (although I appreciate would be much more difficult on a motorbike) would detect camera equipment fitted to unmarked Police cars.

As speeding offences are dealt with on strict liability, if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute then the offender is bound to be found guilty.

To answer the original question regarding legal aid, look at: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_rights/legal_system/help_with_legal_costs.htm#legal_aid_for_criminal_cases from the Citizen's Advice Bureau. Basically, legal aid for criminal cases is not available for 'minor offences such as motoring offences'. Basically, the law considers that if someone can afford to drive a motor vehicle then they can afford their own legal representation.

Optimist

Big_Bob_999 wrote: »

Since this website is about saving money, thought i'd ask if legal aid would be available for him, as I thought it wouldn't be for the obvious reasons. Although how often do you do hear about millions being wasted here and there by the government and its departments?

If there is little or no risk of a custodial sentence then legal aid is very unlikely to be granted.

As he was doing 30 mph above the speed limit there is a good chance he will be banned but could depend on the road traffic conditions and the weather at the time. Not to mention the mood of the magistrate. You need a solicitor who specialises in motoring offences. Nick Freeman comes to mind but he is very expensive.

He could just plead guilty mention the fact he has now got rid of the bike explain about his job and needing transport be contrite and throw himself on the mercy of the court.

C_Ronaldo

If he gets banned then he gets banned, you get caught speeding you pay the price

before_hollywood

i had a mate that got caught doing 60 in a 30, got fined £60 and got 3 points, they might just give him 3 points as a warning cos if he does it again in 2 years he has license revoked

Markyt

C_Ronaldo wrote: »

If he gets banned then he gets banned, you get caught speeding you pay the price

In other words, you don't know the answer to the question?

Conor_3

That's because without being told the speed and the class of road he was on, it's hard to give an answer.

tripled

Conor wrote: »

That's because without being told the speed and the class of road he was on, it's hard to give an answer.

big_bob_999 wrote:

Which was 60mph in a 30mph on a 100cc motorbike

So what's the answer?

In all fairness it wasn't the op who did the offence, they know their son was stupid/irresponsible/a danger/etc, they are simply asking for the best and cheapest way to approach this to avoid their son losing his job.

Surely it's not MSE to say someone should be banned (losing income) and the fine maximised (wasting cash)?

And why all this sanctimonious drivel when the op is clearly aware of the possible consequences and appears to be taking action against their son (sellling the bike for example)?

Big_Bob_999

Just to say thank you for everyones opinions

Son went to court last week, told judge he was stupid realised mistake and learnt that by losing licence would lose so much, including his freedom and his job.
Judge fined all £145 and gave 6 points.
However since he had committed act prior to actually passing full car licence he will not be banned, just needs to be very careful any more points licence will be gone,
Also apparently his insurance cost wont increase as speeding is so common that it doesnt increase your premiums any more. Just things like drinking and driving do

mrbadexample

Keith wrote: »

You only have one licence, lose one, lose them all.

Unless you have a vocational licence (i.e HGV / coach) which can be revoked by a Traffic Commissioner without affecting the car licence but that's not applicable here and I'm just being pedantic so I'll get me coat...:D

Gold_Shogun

Big_Bob_999 wrote: »

Just to say thank you for everyones opinions

Son went to court last week, told judge he was stupid realised mistake and learnt that by losing licence would lose so much, including his freedom and his job.
Judge fined all £145 and gave 6 points.
However since he had committed act prior to actually passing full car licence he will not be banned, just needs to be very careful any more points licence will be gone,
Also apparently his insurance cost wont increase as speeding is so common that it doesnt increase your premiums any more. Just things like drinking and driving do

Thanks for the Update, Bob.

Overall, I'd consider that a "Fair & Considerate Penalty"
A) ... It hopefully scares the lad into better driving in the future.
&
... Without giving him such a large penalty OR destroying/removing his incentive to improve & gain experience.
&
C) ... Without making it MUCH herder for your lad to continue working
&
D) ... Crates a "Scary Food-for-thought" Penalty for your lad WITHOUT making him so bitter that he mutates into one of the "Steal a Car OR Drive Uninsured/Disqualified" Smegheads that are unfortunately so common today.

I've also got a (thankfully decent) 17 year old lad who's recently passed his test, so I know EXACTLY how you feel, and offer my good wishes for your lad's future driving experience & education.

Cheers
A.N.Other Bob