17 year old speeding, will he get banned

BWZN93

zappahey wrote: »

It's entirely sanctimonious and entirely predictable that the cry of "Think of the children" is trotted out every time someone asks for advice, in this case not even for himself.

Can we just take it as read that the punishment is entirely deserved, that speeders will rot in hell and perhaps leave room for some practical advice?

How about think about bloody adults then - my cousin having previously been run over by a stupid little kid when he was 21 and on his way to a job interview with the RAF, left for dead in the road, and subsequently lost his spleen preventing any possible career in the forces with lifetime health care bills, and frankly, I was not bloody amused. Honestly, if I got my hands on the little scrot id wring his neck. Its not just the potential to damage another person or property, its also a lack of care for themselves too. As far as I am concerned the punishments clearly arent strong enough as it continues to happen. Take the punishment, and find a job closer to home would be my shouty response.

As for practicality, it is entirely dependent on a judge in cases such as these as to whether he will be allowed to keep his licence on the merit of the case. Given that his licence is not strictly necessary for his work, only for his transport to and from work, it is probable that he will lose it. It would take some severe justifications to prevent this, for e.g a disability that prevents use of public transport, absolutely no work locally and therefore absolutley must keep this job to support his family as a breadwinner, or that his licence is necessary in order for him to care for others. If for instance, he is primary carer for a diabled person, then he would probably keep it.

Id be prepared to lose it if it really was doing double the speed limit.

Markyt

Hows about, and here's a radical idea, people answer the question instead of making random statements about hypothetical scenarios?

xycom1

zappahey wrote: »

It never takes long for the sanctimonious to appear, who have never been young, who have never broken the law and who have never made a mistake in their lives.

Presumably if it was your son, you'd be first in line to throw away the key?

I still am young and I don't do that !!!!.

I drive at 90 on the motorway but in so doing accept that if I get caught, I am going to get a ticket. I don't do 95 because I don't want to go to court.

Do the crime, do the time. It's about time people started to learn about responsibility and the consequence of their actions. Instead of the leftie liberalism that we have this government to thank for.

anewman

Markyt wrote: »

Hows about, and here's a radical idea, people answer the question instead of making random statements about hypothetical scenarios?

The fact he did twice the limit is not hypothetical. Speed limits are there for a reason. This is why when you drive in country areas with no houses the limit is national, and when you approach populated areas it reduces to 30mph.

I would hope someone speeding at such an excessive level will get banned. Why should one person get away with speeding? I could go out and do twice the limit but there are reasons I don't.

Crabman

Children should learn to look & listen before crossing roads...

If 6 points are clocked up within 2 years of passing the driving test, irrespective of age, the licence is revoked and all entitlement lost.

Andy_L

shammyjack wrote: »

By the way, why should the tax payer fund his legal fees when he is so obviously guilty of braking the law and shows a complete disregard for others ?

Because its a fairly basic tenant of English Law that if the state prosecutes you you don't have to pay for your own legal defence.

Big_Bob_999

Many thanks for your replies esp to those that answered the question.
Yes he was stupid and I agree could of injured himself and others at such speeds.
Which was 60mph in a 30mph on a 100cc motorbike.
But everyone at some point whether knowingly or not has broken speed limit and for most i'd say you were unlucky if you got caught, since now government rakes in millions per year from cameras which are everywhere.
Unlucky of course unless you were doubling speed limit like he was!

Since this website is about saving money, thought i'd ask if legal aid would be available for him, as I thought it wouldnt be for the obvious reasons.
Although how often do you do hear about millions being wasted here and there by the government and its departments?

FlameCloud

Big_Bob_999 wrote: »

But everyone at some point whether knowingly or not has broken speed limit and for most i'd say you were unlucky if you got caught, since now government rakes in millions per year from cameras which are everywhere.

I'd wage alot of money that everyone has. However, I have NEVER gone twice the speed limit, especially in a 30 zone. It is vastly different from going 35 in the same zone. Far, far more dangerous.

Its one thing IMO to get banned for 4 speeding fines (12 pts, all of them for doing 35 etc), entirely another to get banned in one lump sum.

I really hope he does.

aj3001

Will everyone trying to suggest he slows down please shut up, even if your determined to preach, go preach to his son, not him!

Big_Bob_999, people are right that you are only allowed 6 points on your license in your first two years before reverting to the 12 available points. I understand that your son is a similar age to me, and therefore to be honest, speed is fun and I can see why he did it, I was exactly the same until something gave me the incentive to slow down.

I can tell you that I passed my test February 2006, and in September 2006 I was caught doing 48mph in a 30 by a mobile speed camera, I got 3 points and a fine, but with talking to the copper, she said that someone else was doing 51mph and is going to court over it to probally lose his license.

I know speeds in excess of circa 95mph in a National Speed limit will result in an almost automatic ban because the Magistrates have no flexibility in what they can give and they try and crack down on young drivers that drive fast.

One piece of advice which may turn out to be very useful, is stop trying to sell the bike, if he loses his license and reverts back to provisional, it will be months before he can get through the car test, but maybe can redo the CBT within a week if hes lucky, then use the bike for work, that way he won't have to give up his job

Unfortunatly, as he doesn't require his job for work, I don't think they will care much, it was his choice to work so far away and the Magistrates will tell you there is public transport for a reason

If you need anything else, feel free to PM me or email me on aj3001@gmail.com and I will be able to give you all the infomation you need without the idiots trying to give you guilt trips about how 30mph is safe but at 31mph you start killing everything within 20 miles of your front and rear bumpers!

BWZN93

It is unlikely that legal aid will be available for offences of a less serious nature, which includes traffic offences.

"You should note that legal aid is generally not available for motoring offences, unless they are the more serious kind, but a good solicitor will discuss this possibility with you. If you fight a case and win then some, or all, of your solicitor's costs may well be paid by the court."

Taken from http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/motoringsolicitors.htm

It has a handy 'road reckoner' which will give you a reasonable indication of what a likely punishment will be, which will be available again tomorrow.

http://www.safe2travel.co.uk/content/youngDrivers/sixPoints.asp shows that the offence warrants between 3-6 points. I guess the speed involved will determine what is given.

Jo x