No notice of new parking prices

surfboy1

Why pay this scam when you dont have to?
I do not think you have grasped the idea of this scam yet have you?
You do not owe Parking Eye anything.
In reality all you owe is the actual parking rate , and you only owe this to the landowner, not Parking Eye.

marcowil

What is the point of posting in a forum about parking fines looking for advice and then totally ignoring all those who try to give advice

hoohoo

tjx wrote: »

At the end of the day I only came on here to see if anyone else had been caught out and to see if they had to pay up.. Thanks guys for your advise I will just have to wait and see...

Don't wait and see. You will end up losing.

If you are not clever enough to compose your own letter, then cut and paste this, and send an email to popla with the title 'Additional evidence for appeal [your popla appeal number]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I would like to add the following to my appeal.

1) I do not believe that the PPC has the right to impose parking charges. I require the PPC to product their contract with the landowner to prove this.

2) I deny that any contract exists between me and the PPC. The signage is not adequate to enforce any such purported contract. I require the PPC to produce a detailed plan of signage and to explain in those cases where their signage deviates from the BPA code of conduct why this is so, why they think their signage is adequate and their planning notes explaining where and why they have sited each sign. I note that the PPC has only just started operations in this car park, and so there is no reason why their signage should not fully comply with the BPA code of practice.

3) I require the PPC to detail the steps they have taken to alert customers that the car park has been recently taken over and that new charges and new terms and conditions apply.

4) I require the PPC to define whether the charge is a penalty for trespassing, a penalty for breaching any purported contract, or a standard charge as part of a contract. I note that VAT is not payable on penalties but is on standard charges, and I therefore require the PPC to define whether VAT is payable on their charge.

5) I note that no invoice has ever been presented to me (as no documentation with the word 'invoice' clearly present has been supplied.) I therefore deny that any amount is owed.

6) In the case of the charge being a penalty for trespassing, or a penalty for breaching any purported contract I require a full breakdown as to how the charges are arrived at. The BPA code of conduct 34.6 clearly states 'The amount of the parking charge that the driver is being asked to pay must be based on a genuine pre-estimate of the loss you suffer, resulting from the breach of contract or act of trespass.' If the PPC does not provide a detailed breakdown of how this pre-estimate is arrived at, then, just as POPLA correctly dismisses all claims where the PPC does not provide a contract when challenged, I expect this claim to be similarly dismissed.

tjx

Omg that's amazing thanks so much :0)

Stroma

Can I just say to remove the abbreviation 'ppc' as its meaningless outside of forums , either use the name of the company, or parking company

Coupon-mad

tjx wrote: »

Omg that's amazing thanks so much :0)

Please use it now hoohoo has taken the time to type that out for you - if you don't bother now we will suspect you work for the PPC as you seemed so keen to put your head in the sand or pay it!

As you can now see, a POPLA appeal is not as easy as just repeating the original soft appeal. You need to word it as a legal challenge to throw down the gauntlet for the PPC to refute your strong points (they will be unlikely to refute everything and so you 'should' win at POPLA if you get the appeal right).

See this simple summary of the sort of points that can make part of an appeal - in this example it was used in the initial appeal and the PPC (Armtrac, which is known to be harsh and try Court on occasions!) gave up before POPLA as they could see they'd be on a hiding to nothing. See that this letter wasn't even complicated!:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?...ic=77510&st=60

And to see an actual complete POPLA appeal look here in post #35 near the end:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=78026

No decision yet on that one and I know it may be different then your case - but in most cases, bad/unreadable/unlit/too high/missing/misleading/changed signage is always a key issue especially if you have photos.

You will notice that neither appeal actually talks much about what happened on the day. Not needed, you don't have to defend your actions if you can trip the PPC with their own...so add that text suggested by hoohoo by email to POPLA in the morning.

Quote your verification code, name and address (obviously) so they can match it up.