Replace a single front tyre or both?

bigjl

Ultrasonic wrote: »

Are you able to provide a link, or is this a report you have to pay for?

Interesting idea, although on first reading I'm far from convinced.

What is a precessional driver? Is this an advanced driving technique, or did you mean professional? [Serious question, not deliberately being picky if you did use the wrong word.]

Oh, sorry your majesty.

I will beat myself silly.

I am sure you have never been caught out by autocorrect whilst posting on your phone.

If you have not seen or read this report by Michelin then you are probably not really going to be able to understand it fully.

If you want a copy ask Michelin for it.

I read it at work.

When we switched from GoodYear to Michelin.

The good thing is I am not interested in the slightest in convincing you.

That is the beauty about having more experience and knowledge in a certain subject. I am not trying to convince you of anything.

If I was asking a question about IT and somebody trained and experienced in IT gave me an informed opinion I wouldn't question it.

Funny how when it is something like motoring or driving in general you do get people popping up that are convinced they know it all when sadly they don't.

My previous post was fairly easy to understand.

If you can't understand handling balance and how a driver adapts to the changes in grip levels as the tyres wear then I can't really help, as it isn't a very complex concept to grasp.

Ultrasonic

bigjl wrote: »

Oh, sorry your majesty...

As I said, it was a genuine question! I was not arrogant enough to be certain that precessional didn't have a special meaning in the context it was used.

If you have not seen or read this report by Michelin then you are probably not really going to be able to understand it fully.

That is your opinion, and being able to understand it fully and being able to take away useful information from it are entirely different things anyway. There are few things in life that anyone understands fully.

If you want a copy ask Michelin for it.

What is it called?

That is the beauty about having more experience and knowledge in a certain subject. I am not trying to convince you of anything.

I am trying to learn, not score points, and am always open to informed arguments changing my views.

If I was asking a question about IT and somebody trained and experienced in IT gave me an informed opinion I wouldn't question it.

Strangely enough I haven't seen your CV - you could be a hairdresser for all I know!

Funny how when it is something like motoring or driving in general you do get people popping up that are convinced they know it all when sadly they don't.

I'm utterly bemused by your attitude. I posted a video as evidence of a point of view. I was not stating my own experience, rather the advice given by those that do claim to be knowledgeable.

If you can't understand handling balance and how a driver adapts to the changes in grip levels as the tyres wear then I can't really help, as it isn't a very complex concept to grasp.

My doubt was over whether 'low skilled drivers' truly do adapt their driving style to changes in grip/balance resulting from tyre changes. Partly as they are 'low skill' and partly as to notice such things I'd have thought somone would need to be driving close to the limits of grip, which most people don't. However I deliberately made no definite statement about this but rather asked for details of the report so that I could find out more.

john_white

here is what Michilen say on the website,

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/care-guide/ten-tyre-care-tips

I suspect they have more than one report.

alastairq

......................................all a bit academic if you're a bit hard-up?

steve-L

john_white wrote: »

Every tyre manufacturer states they should go on the rear.

They also state that they have better tyres for different conditions but we don't always change tyres every time the weather changes.

In reality I think this changes according to WHERE you mainly drive.

If you live somewhere with lots of blind bends then given the habit of a lot of drivers (such as the car in front) to brake IN corners (as opposed to before them) RW grip might be more important than straight line stopping.

If you do lots of A roads/Motorway the FW grip might be more important for stopping distance in the wet.

You will however wear the diff more with different circumference tyres on drive wheels.

Ultrasonic

steve-L wrote: »

If you do lots of A roads/Motorway the FW grip might be more important for stopping distance in the wet.

It's not just about braking though. On Wednesday night I was driving home in torrential rain (wipers going their fastest and struggling to clear the windscreen) along a motorway. At the junction where I turned off there is a long sweeping bend that feeds into another dual cariageway. The rain meant there was standing water on the road, so this situation pretty much exactly mimicked the situation in the video I posted above (albeit with a bend that is less sharp but, under normal conditions at least, taken at much higher speed).

Ultrasonic

john_white wrote: »

here is what Michilen say on the website,

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/care-guide/ten-tyre-care-tips

I suspect they have more than one report.

Indeed, which was why I was trying to find out the details of the other report...

Ultrasonic

alastairq wrote: »

......................................all a bit academic if you're a bit hard-up?

True, although replacing a diff or having a crash would cost far more than an extra tyre in the long run. Also simply moving the better tyres to the rear costs nothing but your time.

KTF

Is the spare a full size one? If so I would replace the one that needs replacing, swap the spare on to the other wheel and but the tyre with some life left in it on the spare.

No point paying out for a new tyre if you have a new one in the boot.

Of course, if you have a space saver or a can of foam then ignore the above

Arfa__

Wow, what can of worms have I popped open here?!
In the end, when looking at the rear wheels to pop the front good tyre on, it turned out one had a slight bulge I hadn't noticed. So, just as well I bought two new tyres. Spare 5th tyre with bulge was ditched.

Not aquaplaned much, but there was one time last year on the motorway in serious rain, where the front wheels were struggling to keep traction, whilst trying to hold a steady speed in a straight line. Kept spinning as they hit each wave of water on the road... Not fun.