Baroness Thatcher passed away

ukcarper

PaulF81 wrote: »

If it does and I am not happy, I will simply move jobs. You cant change your workplace culture, you can only (hopefully) find somewhere else to work that more closely mirrors your values.

You shouldnt confuse paid employment with charity work.

That is not always possible. Not all people who are fighting for better conditions are in companies that cannot afford the better conditions they are just trying to increase or protect their profits which they are entitled to do but the workers have the right to try to defend their position.

bigheadxx

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-watch-glenda-1822905
The nasty party at its best, Glenda Jackson.

grizzly1911

CLAPTON wrote: »

USSR tried that
all shops owned by the state selling identical products
massive economies of scale
no wasteful competition
no wasteful competition of service

some thought it didn't work too well

Gas is gas, electric is electric. Once you are on DDR and Online the prices just follow each other. Yes you can fix for a period, it just makes the inevitable step up, that much bigger further down the line.

It's not like it is going out of fashion any time soon.

Energy and water should be in state control, trains too IMO.

I accept that we don't all want the same TV, watch, phone, tablet, laptop, PC,car, fridge, washer, uniform, alarm clock etc.

There is no reason an efficient state controlled system should be any worse than fragmented private sector provision or cost any more.

grizzly1911

bigheadxx wrote: »

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-watch-glenda-1822905
The nasty party at its best, Glenda Jackson.

Where has this nasty party carp come from.

She is entitled to her opinion. She is just telling the story as she saw it.

Has she made it up?

Thought the John Stalker item posted by Ionkontrol on the other thread enlightening.

Ionkontrol wrote: »

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-authoritarian-ruler-1821699

RJP33

StevieJ wrote: »

Why do you say they hated her policies, Tony Blair idolised her and her policies [IMG]file:///D:\DOCUME~1\W22326\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

I should have put "True Labour" instead of just Labour!

Thatcher said her greatest legacy was New Labour

ILW

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Gas is gas, electric is electric. Once you are on DDR and Online the prices just follow each other. Yes you can fix for a period, it just makes the inevitable step up, that much bigger further down the line.

It's not like it is going out of fashion any time soon.

Energy and water should be in state control, trains too IMO.

I accept that we don't all want the same TV, watch, phone, tablet, laptop, PC,car, fridge, washer, uniform, alarm clock etc.

There is no reason an efficient state controlled system should be any worse than fragmented private sector provision or cost any more.

If you had known anyone that worked for BT or BG before privatisation, I doubt you would have these views.

jamesd

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

The idea that Thatcher closed the coal mines is ludicrous. Some statistics here, showing a steady decline from the First World War onwards, on p.2: http://www.ncm.org.uk/docs/collections-documents/statistics-in-mining.pdf?sfvrsn=2

There is no way to credibly claim that the decline was steady or that the data makes the quoted claim of the person you were replying to ludicrous. Rather, a mirror to examine whether your own characterisation of this data is ludicrous and recanting seems warranted.

Far from contradicting it, the data you've pointed to very strongly supports the claim that Thatcher closed the coal mines, so far as employee and mine counts go.

year, mines, employees, tonnage - employee then tonnage %, productivity
1950 901 691 220
1955 850 699 225
1960 698 602 197
1965 483 456 186
1970 292 287 145 - 86% 78%
1975 241 247 126 - 93% 87% 0.51
1980 211 230 127 - 93% 101% 0.55
1985 133 138 105 - 60% 83% 0.76
1990 65 57 92 - 41% 88% 1.61
1995 65 15 51 - 26% 55% 3.4
2000 28 8 31
2004 19 6 27 ... 4.5

I've calculated the percentage remaining for employees, output and the production per employee from period to period to make it clearer. Note particularly the precipitous increase in the rate at which the employee count drops starting with the Thatcher years.

There's something else very notable about this data: the productivity per miner has hugely increased, measured in amount of coal produced per miner.

What the data really supports is a claim that Thatcher caused a massive decrease in the coal mining industry which had been inefficient compared to current efficiency levels, by enabling the closing of the least efficient pits and more efficient working practices.

That was devastating for workers and communities in the industry but could perhaps have been hugely profitable if you were an owner, except for the pension cost issue of supporting the large workforce pension payments on a much smaller industry size.

angrypirate

bigheadxx wrote: »

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-watch-glenda-1822905
The nasty party at its best, Glenda Jackson.

My, does Glenda Jackson have chip on her shoulder or does she have a chip on her shoulder?

grizzly1911

ILW wrote: »

If you had known anyone that worked for BT or BG before privatisation, I doubt you would have these views.

Key word is efficient.

ukcarper

ILW wrote: »

If you had known anyone that worked for BT or BG before privatisation, I doubt you would have these views.

I worked for BT before and after privatisation and changes were in place before privatisation. I don't see BT as a prime example of a well run private company.