Finally Snapped Today - Disabled Bay Parking!

anotheruser

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

There are no sub divisions of disability and no one has more or less rights than others. One leggers, children on portable O2, or those who can perambulate three or even twenty miles, all have that same entitlement, its your hard won right. No one more than the other - all equal.

I wear glasses as my eyes aren't 20-20... does that mean I should be entitled to a Blue Badge? It is a disability after all as I am not fully able to see far into the distance.


The problem is the current generation we're in.
Many people mis-use the system, which now it is being tightened up is causing more outcry... if you truly need it, you should have nothing to worry about.

Now society is becoming better educated about different disabilities then it will get better. "Disabled" used to mean "Wheelchair bound", now it doesn't.
It'll take another 20 years for that to sink in to "normal acceptance".

I admit, I do get annoyed at people with expensive cars parking in disabled bays, but then that is probably more jealously that they have a nice car!

dori2o

Bennifred wrote: »

When I've challenged someone it hasn't been anything to do with use/abuse of a Blue Badge - it has been simply to enquire whether they need to use the disabled space they have just parked in when they have shown no sign of either badge or difficulty; ie when they just drive into the space and get out of the car without displaying a badge and just walk briskly off.

Mojisola wrote: »

This would be pointless because, unless a police officer or traffic warden actually saw them, it wouldn't be taken any further.

A successful society has to police itself over minor issues. If none of us care about our neighbours, one day we will need help and find no-one cares about us.

Dunroamin wrote: »

You misunderstand me. - I'm not challenging someone's right to have a badge but someone's right to park in a disabled space.

The point you are missing is that it makes no difference what you say to the person. If they shouldn't be parked there they'll just ignore you. You have no rights to prevent that person from parking.

If they have the right to park you have potentially embarassed a perfectly law abiding person for no reason.

As for the analogy regarding the person who has colapsed in the street, that is absolute nonsense.

Bennifred

dori2o wrote: »

The point you are missing is that it makes no difference what you say to the person. If they shouldn't be parked there they'll just ignore you. You have no rights to prevent that person from parking.

If they have the right to park you have potentially embarassed a perfectly law abiding person for no reason.

As for the analogy regarding the person who has colapsed in the street, that is absolute nonsense.

Not necessarily true - I've had people apologise and move their car once they are aware I actually need it.

Mojisola

dori2o wrote: »

As for the analogy regarding the person who has colapsed in the street, that is absolute nonsense.

Exactly the same thinking - I'm going to ignore x - it's someone else's responsibility/concern/job.

There have been some quite alarming experiments done around this issue and, while people can justify their actions by thinking "It's not my business - someone else should deal with it", they are quite happy to be very callous and uncaring.

Dunroamin

dori2o wrote: »

The point you are missing is that it makes no difference what you say to the person. If they shouldn't be parked there they'll just ignore you. You have no rights to prevent that person from parking.

If they have the right to park you have potentially embarassed a perfectly law abiding person for no reason.

As for the analogy regarding the person who has colapsed in the street, that is absolute nonsense.

I think that people can often be shamed into changing their ways when what they've done is pointed out to them and, if I question someone who actually has a badge, it'll probably me that's embarrassed rather than them!:o

Richie-from-the-Boro

anotheruser wrote: »

I wear glasses as my eyes aren't 20-20... does that mean I should be entitled to a Blue Badge? It is a disability after all as I am not fully able to see far into the distance.

~ snip the jibber jabber ~

Yes, apply, if you fit the criteria & the OT tests you pay your money and get the BB

bestpud

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- disagreement is ok !
- you should have asked for and would have been awarded a temporary badge
- without the badge I would have reported you without any compunction whatsoever
- and I would do so today in the same circumstances
- everyone can, and will happily find a reason for using a BB parking space without entitlement
- you are just one more of thousands every day that have a pseudo reason but no legal rights
- nothing personal my friend but I would report you, get a badge or stay out of the bays

Report to who?

Richie-from-the-Boro

bestpud wrote: »

Report to who?

Depends on the BB parking bay in question, but anyone and everyone that will listen and act, preferably quickly - you are more likely to get help if you use your phone photograph the vehicle & registration to assist with prosecution !

- public - direct to police / traffic warden / local authority
- private - usually supermarket or OOTS - security / store manager

Private

18 months and running in my area, ASDA for only one have security and from those early days there's almost no need to report. The chavs have got the message and don't try it on. Those that argue with security usually have the police called.

Public

They always act, most local authority's have private company contracted traffic wardens who are more than delighted to fine / clamp / tow away.

2013

New BB from this January has all the details coded into the badge, the badge unlike its predecessor can be instantly checked with a hand held device to catch all transgressors - good - clear out the fiddlers and leave the bays for the deserving who hold a legitimate blue badge.

nlj1520

A friend of mine whose daughter has severe learning impairments and intractable seizures was asked why she was using a disabled bay. When she said her daughter was disabled the person said 'Well she doesn't look it!'.......my friend who is on the aggressive side of assertive said 'Well how disabled would you like her to be? she's 5 - can't walk, can't talk, can't stop dribbling and has about a dozen seizures a day!'. Apparently the other person ran away.
At Centreparcs my son and I were using the disabled changing room (he is autistic) and a lady waiting to use it said (as my son and I walked out) 'Is HE disbaled?' and when I said 'yes' she said 'Good'!!!!!!!?????????? !!!!!!????? Now i know she meant that she felt he had been using the changing room appropriately, but I could have slapped her!

bestpud

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Depends on the BB parking bay in question, but anyone and everyone that will listen and act, preferably quickly - you are more likely to get help if you use your phone photograph the vehicle & registration to assist with prosecution !

- public - direct to police / traffic warden / local authority
- private - usually supermarket or OOTS - security / store manager

Private

18 months and running in my area, ASDA for only one have security and from those early days there's almost no need to report. The chavs have got the message and don't try it on. Those that argue with security usually have the police called.

Public

They always act, most local authority's have private company contracted traffic wardens who are more than delighted to fine / clamp / tow away.

2013

New BB from this January has all the details coded into the badge, the badge unlike its predecessor can be instantly checked with a hand held device to catch all transgressors - good - clear out the fiddlers and leave the bays for the deserving who hold a legitimate blue badge.

The blue badge means nothing in a private car park so the police wouldn't get involved unless there was a crime.

It is fine to park in one if you have a disability covered by the DDA - a blue badge is not needed and security can't call the police just because someone disagrees with them!

It makes more sense to report someone parked in a council disabled bay without a badge.

I'm not sure they'd rush out with a clamp or tow truck unless the vehicle was causing an obstruction and that would apply whether or not the car has a blue badge displayed.

I don't disagree with your opinion (I think most of us agree disabled spaces should be left for people who need them) but I think you may be overestimating the response you'd get from reporting someone.