Locked windows, lost keys

MathewJ

Valli wrote: »

you are promoting your company, you are breaking the forum rules by doing so

IT IS, INDEED, SPAM

The specific forum rule you're breaking - No spam/referral links - is clearly displayed at the top of this and every page.

Valli - while I appreciate this site has been open to spam abuse in the past, I mistook that the purpose of the MSE website was to provide Money Saving ideas to everyone from a collective?

This site makes £xxxxxx a year selling mortgages, loans & credit card agreements etc as an affiliate partner (getting commission for referring your users & contributors to commercial institutions)
You track your clicks from this 'Holy than thou' website and collect the money from the conversions.

It is also sold off by many of your 'loyal' subjects who can post links to other websites for SEO link juice (keep your enemies close etc)

Please don't preach inside your glass house - all I did is offer what we do 7 days a week, offer genuine free advice to the general public about locks, auto locks/keys and security, something we have been doing 25 years longer than this website has existed.

Nothing has changed in the world when it comes to expertise, you can't download it in 3 minutes, the information/advice chain is the same, only the way it is communicated has changed.
Without the input of genuine professional advice - this site becomes nothing more than a jumped up 'pay day loan' !!!!!.

When it comes to offering free genuine advice to this sites users about home security and locks, car keys, and commercial security I doubt you have a better resource/community member?

We are a Yale Authorised Fabricator support unit, Union Super centre, Master Locksmiths Association registered, Mul-T-Lock authorised, VBH support unit, AA Approved Auto locksmiths......Trading for over 35 years. Yet you question me/us over a 40p window key for someone looking for honest advice.

I question the moderators here - and the true mission statement of this forum?

leveller2911

MathewJ wrote: »

Valli - while I appreciate this site has been open to
spam abuse in the past, I mistook that the purpose of the MSE website was to
provide Money Saving ideas to everyone from a collective?

It is, but the rules are there to stop spamming.If the site allowed unfettered spamming no one would bother joining it.

This site makes £xxxxxx a year selling mortgages, loans & credit card
agreements etc as an affiliate partner (getting commission for referring your
users & contributors to commercial institutions)


You track your clicks from this 'Holy than thou' website and collect the
money from the conversions.

The site may well do but this is the forum, a place for debate.No one is forced to look at the main site, in fact I rarely do.

It is also sold off by many of your 'loyal' subjects who can post links to other
websites for SEO link juice (keep your enemies close etc)

You earn your stripes here Private and posters are governed by the site rules of NOT promoting their own businesses

Please don't preach inside your glass house - all I did is offer what we do 7
days a week, offer genuine free advice to the general public about locks, auto
locks/keys and security, something we have been doing 25 years longer than this
website has existed.

No you didn't , you asked the OP to contact you so you could provide a "quote".I've been a Joiner for 25years and always advise posters to get quotes from local companies in their area and get at least 3 quotes.

Without the input of genuine professional advice - this site becomes nothing
more than a jumped up 'pay day loan' !!!!!.

Professional "advice" was/is always welcomed, pimping yourself ins't. If you don't like it then your free to leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

When it comes to offering free genuine advice to this sites users about home
security and locks, car keys, and commercial security I doubt you have a better
resource/community member?

Free genuine advice is welcomed, promoting/spamming/pimping yourself isn't

We are a Yale Authorised Fabricator support unit, Union Super centre, Master
Locksmiths Association registered, Mul-T-Lock authorised, VBH support unit, AA
Approved Auto locksmiths......Trading for over 35 years. Yet you question me/us
over a 40p window key for someone looking for honest advice.

Good for you, theres alsorts on here, ex Bank of England management,debt councilors,holiday experts, IFA,s, Mortgage advisors etc etc etc ..

I question the moderators here - and the true mission statement of this
forum?

I'm a relative newbie but I would guess the "mission statement" is simple. Help people out with informative , "free" ,non spamming advice and as the dictionary states a "Forum" is a place for debate...

If you just give "free" advice, don't promote your own company and debate you would be welcomed and an asset to the forum.Spammers are 2 a penny and get sussed out very quickly and posts deleted.

Its entirely up to you which you prefer to be....Be honest , if every other post on here was spamming a business would you bother reading all the trash?.I'm pretty sure there are plenty of locksmith forums, why not join one and promote yourself.

MathewJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

I'm a relative newbie but I would guess the "mission statement" is simple. Help people out with informative , "free" ,non spamming advice and as the dictionary states a "Forum" is a place for debate...

If you just give "free" advice, don't promote your own company and debate you would be welcomed and an asset to the forum.Spammers are 2 a penny and get sussed out very quickly and posts deleted.

Its entirely up to you which you prefer to be....Be honest , if every other post on here was spamming a business would you bother reading all the trash?.I'm pretty sure there are plenty of locksmith forums, why not join one and promote yourself.

Leveller2911 (meaning what exactly? You drive or own 2, 911's? but drive a JCB Mon-Fri:)??)

My response to the OP was an instinctive reaction - not to 'win' the sale of a 40 pence window key..... seriously?

I'm not here to spam - but I have noticed a huge amount of 'holy than thou' members posting spam links to unrelated websites that are totally off topic and have no point or value.

However I am happy to give unbiased advice to users of this forum about security, locks, replacement car keys, safes, British Standard kite marks on locks - what is a fair price for their needs etc.

We work for the Met Police opening cars riddled with bullet holes - not some random poster or spammer. There are no links to my company anymore in my profile and I'm happy to stay incognito.
In the same breath neither am I wanting to hide behind some random forum name?
I am as seen - my name is my name and I have nothing to hide, just Google 'Mathew Jenkins' and I am No1 - as seen, for real.

There will be a storm of questions soon on this forum - when the Insurance industry insists on a BS 3 star locking system for the 20 million+ homes that have double glazed front doors - and during any 'panic' situation there will be a few PPI style 'experienced brand new locksmiths' happily 'helping' consumers at stupid prices and fitting any old rubbish they can get their hands on.

I'm am here to advise consumers to change their crappy old 'chocolate fireguard' euro locks to the new anti snap British Standard Kite marked cylinders before it kicks off and they get ripped off.... It also protects their home now rather than later.

I appreciate there are the good, bad and ugly on any forum - but my intention/mission is to make home owners here and everywhere that £20 on a new door lock is money well spent before they get forced to pay £80 due to 'unprecedented demand / opportunist selling' driven by their insurance policies terms & conditions.

Hope that helps? It's not nice talking to families that have been burgled and explain a mere £20 lock could have prevented this.

leveller2911

MathewJ wrote: »

Leveller2911 (meaning what exactly? You drive or own 2, 911's? but drive a JCB Mon-Fri:)??)

I'm not here to spam - but I have noticed a huge amount of 'holy than thou'
members posting spam links to unrelated websites that are totally off topic and
have no point or value.

But you did spam, you asked them to send you a private message so you could give them a quote.Mathew its called "spamming".. Give it up mate..Move on and take part in the forum but stop touting for business. Feel free to post links to your above allegation.

However I am happy to give unbiased advice to users of this forum about
security, locks, replacement car keys, safes, British Standard kite marks on
locks - what is a fair price for their needs etc.

Excellant, thats what the forum is for.......

We work for the Met Police opening cars riddled with bullet holes - not some
random poster or spammer.

Totally irelevent to the thread who you work for..I've worked for Paul Mc Cartney,Spike Milligan ,Rod Hull and Emu , don't make me special

There are no links to my company anymore in my profile and I'm happy to stay
incognito.

??????

In the same breath neither am I wanting to hide behind some random forum name?

????? AGAIN

I am as seen - my name is my name and I have nothing to hide, just Google
'Mathew Jenkins' and I am No1 - as seen, for real.

spam,spam,spam,spam spam,spam

I'm am here to advise consumers to change their crappy old 'chocolate fireguard'
euro locks to the new anti snap British Standard Kite marked cylinders before it
kicks off and they get ripped off.... It also protects their home now rather
than later.

Buy them now from www.....

Oh my, you forgot to add your website to this post, all the advertising speil but no link, shame on you Matty

I appreciate there are the good, bad and ugly on any forum - but my
intention/mission is to make home owners here and everywhere that £20 on a new
door lock is money well spent before they get forced to pay £80 due to
'unprecedented demand / opportunist selling' driven by their insurance policies
terms & conditions.

Nothing new Mathew, Insurance companies have stipulated minimum standards for security for years BS3621 etc etc etc. Insurance companies are obliged to send policy holders any changes of requirements.

Hope that helps? It's not nice talking to families that have been burgled and explain a mere £20 lock could have prevented this.

On this one we agree 100%.... I've had to change locks,board up properties immediately after burglaries and its not nice.

Re:Leveller 2911 name..Made me chuckle, not into Porsches think they look very dated.Much prefer Aston Martin DB9 which is Class car verses a "fur coat and no knickers" Porsche.

Leveller comes from John Lilburne... Google him:D

MathewJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

On this one we agree 100%.... I've had to change locks,board up properties immediately after burglaries and its not nice.

Re:Leveller 2911 name..Made me chuckle, not into Porsches think they look very dated.Much prefer Aston Martin DB9 which is Class car verses a "fur coat and no knickers" Porsche.

Leveller comes from John Lilburne... Google him:D

Yup - somehow I can't see anyone kicking !!! here that was born in 1615, they seem to be absent :A Either that or they clicked a link to everlastinglife.com lol

I much prefer the quotes on VALUE by John Ruskin (Google John Ruskin value for money) has a much better ring to this forum?

IE:
'A little thought and a little kindness are often worth more than a great deal of money'
IE:
'There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey'

Or in more detail:

'There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person's lawful prey.
It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little.
When you pay too much, you lose a little money -- that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do.
The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot -- it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better'

You seem quick to jump to the BS 3621 - that has nothing to do with euro locks. I'm sure you enjoy your racing green DB9.. sold mine 3 years ago!

It took 20+ years for BS 3621 5 lever locks to become a requirement in household insurance policies.
Oh and guess what - euro locks have been used for about 20 years and the early (and most current) versions are useless.

I see no www or references here? Prey tell me why you think a mortice lock has the same British Standards number or rating as a euro cylinder?
A 5 lever BS mortice lock is a dinosaur compared to a modern 3 star BS euro cylinder.... try 16 components Vs 60 components, 4 types of spring Vs Zero springs.
Ball bearings, shear pins, sacrificial ends, cam locking pins, magnetic pins..... none of which exist in the old BS 3621 5 lever mortice lock. Assa Abloy the worlds largest cylinder manufacturer own Yale, Mul-T-Lock, UNION (bought out Chubb) etc etc and they have one 3 star euro (currently with Mul-T-Lock and £70+ per unit)

They are like chalk and cheese Sir.... I have ABS 3* cylinders in my own house, and can show photos, real time videos or whatever proof you need - but it seems real advice and what a real locksmith would use is spam??? I also have built these cylinders by hand, so I know how they work. A 5 lever BS mortice is childs play compared to the new 3 star rated euro cylinder.

I suggest you stop quoting British Standard numbers on locks that are nothing to do with euro cylinders maybe try BS EN 1303:2005
That is the old anti drill/pick and key combination rating.
TS007 Star ratings are now the industry standard as anyone with internet access can watch a video on how to snap a BS EN 1303:2005 rated cylinder in 13 seconds.

Bottom line here is go for a 1* rated lock with 2* handles or get a 3* rated cylinder and keep your existing handles.

I see no spam here ? Just correcting a post made by someone with a fur coat :cool:

Oh yeh - Google me Vs your dead guy - I'm real, and I'm here.... you still hide behind your veil, why are you so shy? Maybe because you only fit mortice & sash locks as a chippie? You are not a locksmith - you are a chipper. No offense, but maybe straying beyond your realm?

leveller2911

MathewJ wrote: »

It took 20+ years for BS 3621 5 lever locks to become a requirement in
household insurance policies.


Oh and guess what - euro locks have been used for about 20 years and the
early (and most current) versions are useless.

You seem to be suggesting we all have the latest spec Eurocylinder locks fitted now for security but make no mention of making sure the door and frame are of a good standard.

So would you fit a brand new V8 engine in an old rot box Allegro car? They aren't useless Mathew they are just not high security but they can comply with the insurance requirements.Actually your scaremongering .

Prey tell me why you think a mortice lock has the same British Standards


number or rating as a euro cylinder?

I didn't, your confused......

Ball bearings, shear pins, sacrificial ends, cam locking pins, magnetic
pins..... none of which exist in the old BS 3621 5 lever mortice lock. Assa
Abloy the worlds largest cylinder manufacturer own Yale, Mul-T-Lock, UNION
(bought out Chubb) etc etc and they have one 3 star euro (currently with
Mul-T-Lock and £70+ per unit)

Mathew, 33% of burglaries are carried out via an open window or door. I would suspect around 50% are carried out by breaking the glass in a window.Another route is breaking the frame around a lock with a metal bar.

How many burglaries are carried out by bumping the lock?.I'm not saying its not an issue but how many bump a lock.I don't know the figure but I'm interested to know.

Can you please explain how replacing a standard 5 Lever BS3621 mortice lock with a Euro cylinder lock will prevent burglars from breaking the frame with a Jemmy bar?.

I have ABS 3* cylinders in my own house, and can show photos, real time videos
or whatever proof you need

Proof of what?

I suggest you stop quoting British Standard numbers on locks that are nothing to
do with euro cylinders maybe try BS EN 1303:2005

I know exactly what BS3621 is and I was referring to the fact that insurance companies specify a minimum requirement of lock standard for cover on their insurance policies.I wasn't referring to Eurocylinder locks.

Bottom line here is go for a 1* rated lock with 2* handles or get a 3* rated
cylinder and keep your existing handles.

Good advice as long as the door frame and door that the lock,handles etc are being fitted on is a good strong door that warrants the expense ,otherwise its a waste of money.One good smack with a Jemmy bar and they are in.

I see no spam here ?

Well done Mathew, your slowly getting the idea......Keep posting like that my
boy and you get your first "star"...;)

Oh yeh - Google me Vs your dead guy - I'm real, and I'm here.... you
still hide
behind your veil, why are you so shy? Maybe because you only fit
mortice &
sash locks as a chippie? You are not a locksmith - you are a
chipper. No
offense, but maybe straying beyond your realm?[/

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Mathew that dead guy left a legacy (Bill of Rights) that we still see in our daily lives and enshrined in our laws today:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/STUlilburne.htm

"Every free man of England, poor as well as rich, should have a vote in choosing those that are to make the law."

"No man should be punished or persecuted... for preaching or publishing his opinion on religion".

Decent pensions for the British army...

No offence but when you and I are gone there will be nothing to show we ever existed. Off topic but hay ho..........

Don't show yourself up Mathew.

You got pulled up for spamming by myself and others. I'm sure you can give good impartial advice but don't try and give the impression that you didn't spam. Move on mate.

MathewJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

MathewJ wrote: »

You seem to be suggesting we all have the latest spec Eurocylinder locks fitted now for security but make no mention of making sure the door and frame are of a good standard.

I get annoyed that people spend £300+ on a door with multi point locking - held together with a lock made of cheese that cost £4.. Too many fabricators & installers play on the 'security' but fail to understand the straw in the camels back is the euro cylinder. For an extra £20 then it becomes a good system.

So would you fit a brand new V8 engine in an old rot box Allegro car? They aren't useless Mathew they are just not high security but they can comply with the insurance requirements.Actually your scaremongering .

uPVC and multipoint locking systems don't 'rot' - they are not wooden doors with old mortice locks. The 'chassis is fine - just the steering wheel is made of cheese'
To accuse me of scaremongering is churlish, your facts are also wrong and proved in my response further down this reply - just talk to the board of 'Sold Secure' - an independent body who benchmark/score security products, run my Police Commissioners (who endorse no product, but give the Star ratings) - and something the Master Locksmiths Association also endorse?

Mathew, 33% of burglaries are carried out via an open window or door. I would suspect around 50% are carried out by breaking the glass in a window.Another route is breaking the frame around a lock with a metal bar.

BBC & Police confirmed 27% of ALL burglaries where SNAPPED Euro locks.... This is not my plucking ideas out of the air.

How many burglaries are carried out by bumping the lock?.I'm not saying its not an issue but how many bump a lock.I don't know the figure but I'm interested to know.

Bumping locks is actually quite tricky, and time consuming/conspicuous - compared to simply snapping it at the weak point. Bumping is a bit of a 'viral' Youtube victim/scaremongering for house locks, still an issue with older car locks without transponders (maybe your old V8 :A)
Would you seriously make bumping key blanks, buy a bump drill when most 5 year old doors/locks are anti bump? When you can snap all of them in 13 seconds with much simpler tools?

Can you please explain how replacing a standard 5 Lever BS3621 mortice lock with a Euro cylinder lock will prevent burglars from breaking the frame with a Jemmy bar?.

Breaking the door frame with a Jemmy is not an opportunist entry level burglary. If you are prepared to lift doors, break glass, rip doors off and smash windows, then you will always 'get in'. However 90%+ of all burglaries are 'easy opportunist pickings' as you said yourself - open windows, open doors and added crap cylinders.
Obviously if you leave the windows and doors open there is nothing I or anyone can do to help!


I know exactly what BS3621 is and I was referring to the fact that insurance companies specify a minimum requirement of lock standard for cover on their insurance policies.I wasn't referring to Eurocylinder locks.

Because despite the massive shift to uPVC doors - which don't use mortice locks, the insurance industry has not yet 'ruled' on the standards a uPVC cylinder should have. But as they now outnumber the old mortice locks - it won't be long before they require something better than a chunk of cheddar to protect their investment/potential claim.
That maybe a 1 star or 3 star system - but whatever it is, there will be a huge amount of confused consumers, 'knowing' they have the ultimate uPVC multipoint locking system - so it must be ok.. cos the guy that took £550 for my front door was really interested in my security :rotfl:


Good advice as long as the door frame and door that the lock,handles etc are being fitted on is a good strong door that warrants the expense ,otherwise its a waste of money.One good smack with a Jemmy bar and they are in.

As I said earlier uPVC doesn't rot, but yes - if you drive a JCB into a domestic dwelling you will gain access..... I agree a solid oak frame, with a solid oak door and a proper mortice sashlock with 2 deadlocks is nice, it's about £1000 more than most people can afford. I love 'proper' oak doors, but in the real world it is just too expensive, and 20m home owners in the UK also think like this?


Mathew that dead guy left a legacy (Bill of Rights) that we still see in our daily lives and enshrined in our laws today:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/STUlilburne.htm

"Every free man of England, poor as well as rich, should have a vote in choosing those that are to make the law."

"No man should be punished or persecuted... for preaching or publishing his opinion on religion".

Decent pensions for the British army...

No offence but when you and I are gone there will be nothing to show we ever existed. Off topic but hay ho..........

Don't show yourself up Mathew.

You got pulled up for spamming by myself and others. I'm sure you can give good impartial advice but don't try and give the impression that you didn't spam. Move on mate.

Passionate quotes and inspirational figures are great, but they are dead and don't offer refunds?
What really got me with your reference to 'spamming' was those that accused me, also had posts removed after I decided to investigate their 'pure intentions' and read a few of their posts - and guess what I found (and removed) spam spam spam....

I would ask you to read the 100% no !!!!!!!! feedback on my operation - a totally free forum/blog, unedited.
Real consumers looking for genuine advice and fast security solutions, backed up by the worlds largest lock manufacturers - as an official & authorised centre of excellence.

Yes I/we can add value to this forum - but it seems a little too quick to jump to conclusions. We all go to work to make money - but I like to sleep at night knowing we did our best.

leveller2911

MathewJ wrote: »

leveller2911 wrote: »

MathewJ wrote: »

Real consumers looking for genuine SPAM FREE advice and fast security solutions,

Just corrected that for you Mathew...

Yes I can add value to this forum - but it seems a little too quick to jump to
conclusions. We all go to work to make money - but I like to sleep at night
knowing we did our best TO PROMOTE MY COMPANY VIA THE FORUM

.

Seriously though Mathew, why don't you just admit you tried to spam the site and start to give good,honest,free advice? instead of trying to defend the indefensible, you got caught out and you don't like it.

Anyone reading the thread from the start can see it mate.

greenface

The post has stayed up. It will i can see it fully in post #18. I thought the post from MathewJ was very helpful and informative for the op . Where yours isnt . Fluff that up .

leveller2911

greenface wrote: »

The post has stayed up. It will i can see it fully in post #18. I thought the post from MathewJ was very helpful and informative for the op . Where yours isnt . Fluff that up .

Post 18 was my post, I quoted Mathews previous post which was pulled/deleted by the moderators so they viewed it as spam.

I'm sure Mathew is excellant at his job and can give great free advice ,its just a shame he felt the need to promote his own company on the thread and also posting his Company website on his profile...If he wasn't spamming then why post his company website?...... Kerching...

Shame but I guess he feels the need to drum up business.