D Day for Benefits Claimants as "nastiest" party has it's way

The_White_Horse

the best solution would be to sell off all council housing and stop all HB. then, you can work and buy a house or rent privately - or not work and live on the street where you belong*

*unless you are genuinely sick and can't work or are over 70.

ukcarper

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the best solution would be to sell off all council housing and stop all HB. then, you can work and buy a house or rent privately - or not work and live on the street where you belong*

*unless you are genuinely sick and can't work or are over 70.

What about forcing big multinationals to pay their staff a wage they can live on you might have to pay a tenner for your latte but you wouldn't be paying the waiters rent and council tax.

manowar

Simple. increase NMW then work will actually pay, rather than them just saying it does. If people working full time on NMW need and qualify for benefits just to survive, then NMW is plainly NOT enough.

The_White_Horse

ukcarper wrote: »

What about forcing big multinationals to pay their staff a wage they can live on you might have to pay a tenner for your latte but you wouldn't be paying the waiters rent and council tax.

plenty of people work for multinationals and live on the salary they are paid. if people don't like the salary they can work elsewhere or start their own business. alternatively they can buy shares in the multinational and enjoy their share of the profits when their dividend arrives.

BobQ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dday-for-benefits-claimants-as-unions-go-for-the-jugular-8555688.html



Quite right. Let's see land taxation on country estates or offshoring of tax bases to become illegal and then hear how we are "all in it together".

This vile Tory government is the equivalent of Jabba the Hutt, and the Lib Dems are their Carrie Fisher, attached to them by a chain wearing a brass bikini.

A complete shower the lot of them.

I like the image. I also think that its D-day for the Lib Dems, they are now moving beyond the point of no return by endorsing many of these policies.

A._Badger

michaels wrote: »

What amuses me is that only the BBC are claiming that the reduction in benefits for free spare rooms for council tenants (not private sector HB claimants) is 'unfair'.

I have not heard a single labour politician state this. They have all suggested that there may not be enough smaller properties for people to switch to but I have not heard a single labour politician defend the state paying for spare rooms. So where is the BBC getting its agenda from, trying to give its own idea of 'balance' on an issue where all 3 biggest political parties seem to be in agreement about the principal even if they disagree about the consequences on the ground.
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The BBC has, since the 1970s, seen itself as HM's unofficial opposition.

Whichever bunch of deadbeats wins an election, the BBC attacks it from the Left, usually taking its lead from the loss-making Guardian.

MS1950

Generali wrote: »

According to a benefits calculator I would be able to get the equivalent of £32,000 if I signed on in the UK where I was living before I left. That's the reality of the welfare state in the UK.

If you have kids, working is a mugs game for many in the UK right now. That has to change otherwise as people realize and quit working there'll be not enough people left paying tax to pay for your beloved welfare system.

I don't know your family circumstances - but aren't you rather forgetting the 'Benefit Cap' introduced today?:

"The cap will be introduced from April 2013 and will apply to the combined income from the main out-of-work benefits, plus Housing Benefit, Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit.
The cap will be:
• £500 p/wk for couples and lone parents
• £350 p/wk for single adults"

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/adviser/updates/benefit-cap/

ukcarper

The_White_Horse wrote: »

plenty of people work for multinationals and live on the salary they are paid. if people don't like the salary they can work elsewhere or start their own business. alternatively they can buy shares in the multinational and enjoy their share of the profits when their dividend arrives.

Of course they do so I'm wondering why you complain so much about losing child benefit as according to you can live on a fifth of what you earn.

StevieJ

Generali wrote: »

It's not tenable to have a situation where being on the dole pays better than working.

Well up the minimum wage then, 'there is more than one way to skin a cat' (what a horrible expression but it does the job).

dktreesea

MS1950 wrote: »

I don't know your family circumstances - but aren't you rather forgetting the 'Benefit Cap' introduced today?:

"The cap will be introduced from April 2013 and will apply to the combined income from the main out-of-work benefits, plus Housing Benefit, Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit.
The cap will be:
• £500 p/wk for couples and lone parents
• £350 p/wk for single adults"

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/adviser/updates/benefit-cap/

It's interesting how the working poor are excluded from that, including the 700,000 self employed people who earn so little they qualify for working tax credit.

I suppose that does leave another 3,500,000 self employed people who earn too much for WTC. I wonder how they feel when people find out they are self employed and immediately treat them like professional benefit claimants!