daughter being made to go to work and give up degree

GotToChange

To those who are saying that she should not be receiving JSA and a student loan, I should imagine (but won't assume) that she is not receiving a student loan for this degree if it is her second or a Masters.
In the job market today, she will be very lucky if the potential employer is accommodating of her ambitions, especially if the role is administrative and therefore more likely to follow a more rigid schedule... Rotten as it is, they may look to appoint someone who comes to them with little/no baggage and requests for special treatment.
As for receiving JSA, the rules is the rules as they say and it is hard or impossible to stipulate that you wish to restrict your employment search to part-time or special hours when there is - to their mind - no good reason.
Sad, but true.
Or understandable from the point of view of the divide and rule folk.

dizzyrascal

If her course is part time then there is a possibility that she could claim JSA but only if it is under a the required hours of study.
If the course is designated full time but only has a few taught hours and the rest is meant to be self directed study then she is not entitled to claim JSA as she would be classed as in full time education.
It's not clear whether the OP's daughter is a full time student or on an MA or on a second degree

peculiarpetulia

sorry ive only just managed to come back on - my daughter is doing a second degree and thus doesnt qualify for student funding. She was advised to sign on for jsa and as her course is only a few hours she was allowed to do so, everything is above board. When first applying for jsa they ask what type of work you are available for and she ticked the 'part time' work and gave her doing a degree as the reason why, so, there must be stipulations for this type of thing otherwise it wouldnt be on the form.

Ok, maybe she should join the real world and stop having fancy ideas of bettering/educating herself so she can get to the top of her field. Her ultimate goal is to work as an art curator, hence, the dedication she has put in to gaining her qualifications. She is a very hardworking person and when not studying she gives her time freely to do voluntary work for a cause close to her heart.

Most of the degree is paid off as she was wise enough to save from her student loan funds she received over the years for her other qualifications. She lives a frugal lifestyle and doesnt drink or smoke, the only expenses she really has are her day to day needs we all have, but, as she lives at home we (her parents) cover these for her.

I just feel that its always the wrong ones that are sanctioned and the 'cant be bothered/got a drink,drugs problem/immigrants' who are left alone and never brought up short on anything. She is bettering herself to put herself in a top position and thus benefit the country, which is more than can be said for many others, yet, she is the one being brought to book and made to do something she isnt qualified for.

Honeypie

She's claiming job seekers allowance under the conditions she seeks employment. If she refuses to attend the interview, or take the job is she's lucky enough to get it, then I think it's fair that she is sanctioned.

She could stop claiming JSA and apply for part time jobs, off her own back, that allow her to continue with her studies.

BitterAndTwisted

You were doing quite well until you got to the 'can't be bothered/got a drink, drugs problem/immigrants' bit.

Your daughter lives at home and you pay for her day-to-day needs. Therefore she has no need of JSA as pocket-money. I suggest she signs off and finds a part-time job for her pocket-money.

Affynity

I may not agree with the decision but it is legitimate given the conditionality of JSA.
Her options are:
Sign off JSA and continue studying
Stop studying and take this job
Try to do both by negotiating with the employer

I hope you manage to secure a satisfactory outcome but I would advise some wider consideration to the extreme limits of employability in art.
With any luck she will secure the 2nd degree and have a job to use as a stepping stone to one in her chosen sector.

I would like to add that you shouldn't be thinking in terms of redirecting conditionality to other claimants' circumstances. The DWP have a highly ineffective and unfair framework of employability support and sanction regimes and you shouldn't be looking for a niche of fairness, but more overall fairness.
Your daughter is actually very lucky that her offer is for employment and not workfare actually.

peculiarpetulia

shes tried to find a part time job, there are none..... why would they ask what type of work she is willing to do if there werent stipulations for it? its all wrong in this country, if youre willing to better yourself you get brought back down but if youre coming from another country with your begging hat you get treat like royalty....... The amount of people i who have been claiming for years and years, your typical bums and they are never sanctioned yet someone who comes from a hardworking family who have never done anything wrong and wham - theyre down on her like a ton of bricks. Typical

and the jsa isnt pocket money, its saved up in her account and used to pay for her degree - why shouldnt she use it that way? Or would you rather she used it for drink/fags and drugs? Maybe she shouldve had a couple of kids by now and be dossing in a council flat with her mates over causing a nuisance all the time, a couple of asbos under her belt too.

getmore4less

I would be looking at why she has not allready got a job in the line of work she is doing this degree for.

She should have been networking through the UNI to get contacts and jobs that are relevent.

As this is year two and not got anything I would be concerned if there are any jobs, most will be filled through networking.

Thomas_Hardy

peculiarpetulia wrote: »

shes tried to find a part time job, there are none..... why would they ask what type of work she is willing to do if there werent stipulations for it? its all wrong in this country, if youre willing to better yourself you get brought back down but if youre coming from another country with your begging hat you get treat like royalty....... The amount of people i who have been claiming for years and years, your typical bums and they are never sanctioned yet someone who comes from a hardworking family who have never done anything wrong and wham - theyre down on her like a ton of bricks. Typical

and the jsa isnt pocket money, its saved up in her account and used to pay for her degree - why shouldnt she use it that way? Or would you rather she used it for drink/fags and drugs? Maybe she shouldve had a couple of kids by now and be dossing in a council flat with her mates over causing a nuisance all the time, a couple of asbos under her belt too.

Your comments are pretty ignorant. If you dislike "this country" so much, you are free to leave.

Honeypie

She's been offered the job then? And they've sanctioned her money? Even though she hasn't even attended the interview yet?

I think you're getting your knickers in a twist about the what if's.