daughter being made to go to work and give up degree

androidgamer

what most people (and the JC) have said with regards to taking the F/T job and leaving the degree is correct. JSA is for Job Seeking, not funding my art degree allowance. she'll kick herself at the end of the degree when she finds work is hard to come by. there are many people unemployed, a lot of them with job experience who still find it hard to find p/t work let alone f/t work. very few business are hiring these days and are reluctant to in the coming future

when your daughter started claiming JCA she would have signed an agreement to say that she understood and agreed to the terms of getting JCA. the booklet that she takes to each sign-on day is the JCA agreement which states "turning down an offer of employment whilst claiming JSA will affect your JSA claim"

Affynity

androidgamer wrote: »

what most people (and the JC) have said with regards to taking the F/T job and leaving the degree is correct. JSA is for Job Seeking, not funding my art degree allowance. she'll kick herself at the end of the degree when she finds work is hard to come by. there are many people unemployed, a lot of them with job experience who still find it hard to find p/t work let alone f/t work. very few business are hiring these days and are reluctant to in the coming future

when your daughter started claiming JCA she would have signed an agreement to say that she understood and agreed to the terms of getting JCA. the booklet that she takes to each sign-on day is the JCA agreement which states "turning down an offer of employment whilst claiming JSA will affect your JSA claim"

I've been avoiding saying it, but an art degree has practically zero value. If you have a potent figurative skill then you can usually secure work with a portfolio regardless of grade/programme. If you have a more 'expressive' style then usually you get by on networking (exhibitions, national shows etc). In this instance, the sought work is curation. As near as I can tell, this isn't a growth industry and it doesn't require skills in art but skills in history and, in some cases, sociology/semiology/humanities.

I've got lots of figurative talent, I've got a fair following on deviantART, but I don't necessarily have the free time or affluence to drop my responsibilities to start compiling the ultimate portfolio and pursue every opportunity. This is the same for hundreds of artists all over the world.
I'd never say give up your dream, but at the same time you have to be aware that it is a dream.

duchy

BitterAndTwisted wrote: »

You were doing quite well until you got to the 'can't be bothered/got a drink, drugs problem/immigrants' bit.

Your daughter lives at home and you pay for her day-to-day needs. Therefore she has no need of JSA as pocket-money. I suggest she signs off and finds a part-time job for her pocket-money.

So your daughter took one degree (which didn't enable her to gain any type of employment presumably otherwise she wouldn't be applying for a part time supermarket job) and is now wanting to spend three years studying for something else...lives at home ...yet you want the state to support her ? (And interestingly have so little interest in her education that you didn't even know if it was a masters or a second degree she was doing whilst living under your own roof?)

How about this for a really radical idea -Why don't YOU support her....and if you can't afford to then she does what thousands of other mature students do and studies part time (eg 3 year degree takes 5 years) so she can afford to support herself AND her artistic aspirations. Surely her first degree qualifies her to earn something in a fulltime position after all ? What does the second degree enable her to do that the first doesn't ? Art graduates aren't exactly sought after by employers in general. Does she have a long term plan ?

I'm not unsympathetic to studying later in life - I did it myself -but I worked part-time and raised a toddler at the same time as studying for my degree rather than expecting the world owed me a living.

MrChandlerBing

I have never seen a topic full of such utter garbage. It made for some good reading though.

To the OP - Your daughter is almost certainly fraudulently claiming for benefits. A 3 year degree is a full time under taking, and as you yourself say she is unable to work whilst doing it.

If she doesn't want a job, she shouldn't be claiming JSA. JSA is there to help people who are looking for work, not support people doing a degree.

Out of interest, what is her second degree in anyway? I can't understand why someone would do an art degree and then follow it up with another soft degree.

To all the mentalists arguing about paying tax, the rich and the top 5%. If you are unhappy with life here in the UK, head over to China or Cuba and see how you get on there.

DCFC79

OP if she wants a job then get her to try the supermarkets, not ideal I admit but its something. Theres a certain chain who have bought x number of old HMV stores and are converting them to they're own spec so get googling. Another chain are also adding more stores.

teajug

ditzyat50 wrote: »

From personal experience I have found supermarkets amazingly supportive of their staff. I would suggest your daughter goes for the interview and explains that she is in the middle of a degree which she would like to finish because she is the sort of person who once she starts something sees it through. That always sounds good. But also wants to work and fund herself. (Another tick there). The supermarket will then decide if to accommodate her or find another person. And she will keep her benefits. That's what I would do anyway.

Of course supermarkets will be very supported because they are getting good cheap labour at the tax payers expense. Why is it that job entries do not give your daughter the choice of working in the hospitals or somewhere else in the community that would benefit the commonality. It seems that the mulitnational supermarkets that gets the first choice of good cheap labour.

imoneyop

DCFC79 wrote: »

OP if she wants a job

I would say that if is the key word there.

Having read the whole thread it is clear that the OP's lazy daughter is quite happy being supported by her parents and sponging off the taxpayer while she studies for her worthless degree.

She is likely to be a lifelong student studying one worthless course after another.

paulineb_2

Irrespective of the studying arguments, the rules are, if you get offered a job and turn it down you can be sanctioned and I believe you can be sanctioned for longer now, the rules have changed I think last October, its 13 weeks if you havent been sanctioned before, the next one is 26 weeks and the last is anything up to 3 years. Ive signed on and studied at the same time and I was living at home at the time, it was over 25 years ago now but I was allowed to claim JSA and study as long as it was less than 12 hours a week. I did that for a year. There are people who are on benefits who can study for degree courses. I did a post grad in addictions about ten years ago and there was a man on the course who had a child and he was the main carer, he was allowed to remain on income support for the duration of the course, I assume because it was financially better for him to do that and ensuring that he would get housing benefit. I dont have kids and all I got was a council tax exemption, but that's the way things are. I also worked around that degree. There are ways people can study part time and still get benefits, its allowed and I assume although there are rules and red tape that needs to be followed to the letter, there are still ways that people can sign on and study. The girl isnt necessarily being fraudulent. As for the other peoples taxes paying for it. Our taxes pay for a lot of things, its a very small percentage compared to other things that prop up the welfare state.

I was on benefit around a year and a half ago and at that point I had the opportunity to study for a level 2 gym instructor course at a local college, one day a week for ten weeks. The red tape and rules were so ridiculous I didnt do it that way. I asked them what would happen if I did the same course on the weekend, they had no issue with that, as long as I was fulfilling my job seekers agreement. And dare I say it, sometimes people on benefit want to improve their lot. Theres lots of ways you can study these days, from home, you could be paying for and studying for loads of home courses and the DWP would never know.

Its the issue about having to take a job if you are offered it or end up with a sanction and irrespective of whether this degree will help her in the future, if shes offered it, she'll have to have a very good reason to turn it down without her JSA being affected. Im sure there are lots of people who still live at home who claim JSA, if you are entitled to it, you are entitled. And as we are in the middle of a recession, its very easy to say go and get a part time job, its harder to actually get one. I spent 2012 working part time in a gym but it was only by sending them my CV that I got it and that was after hundreds of applications for jobs.

As for comparing someone to the people who just want to claim and sit on their backsides, yes there are some people who live a benefit lifestyle and do very well on it. A lot of people dont, when I was on JSA, the basic of £71 a week and running a home on that it was tough and it is admirable that you support your daughter.

But the JSA rules cant be waived just because someone is studying for a degree. If the supermarket are willing to be flexible with her hours should she get it then all well and good, if not then she's going to have to try and find another way to study.

LittleVoice

post #110 19:35 on 22 March

jimmywx11 wrote: »

You disgust me.

you have hijacked this thread and offered nothing positive.
out of respect to the OP i will bow out and start my own threads

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kws

LittleVoice wrote: »

post #110 19:35 on 22 March


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and back by post #125 at 11:45 on 23 March

He has to keep pushing out his Commie propaganda in the hope that some other misguided fool will agree with him. Either that or the effects of the dope haven't worn off yet.