Nice people thread part 8 - worth the wait

neverdespairgirl

zagubov wrote: »

I used to be puzzled and rather impressed to read about how academics and students flitted between countries in the middle ages and renaissance years until I realised they all spoke Latin and that was the language of the universities.

It didn't rally matter whetehr you were in Denmark or Italy or wherever, the tuition was always in the same tongue.

That is increasingly true now, isn't it? With English rather than Latin, though.

PasturesNew

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Lots more you would know, though:

lingua franca - No
QED - No
q.v. - No
regina- Queen?
rex - King?
deo gratias - No
PS - Yes
NB- Yes

Not heard of most of those. Not 100% sure when to use NB and when to use IE. I use IE all the time.

lostinrates

PasturesNew wrote: »

One doesn't though, does one.... unless one has a horse, goes skiing in the holidays and one's classmates are called Tristan and Rupert

I had a second hand bike, never had a horse, nor been skiing, never met anybody called Rupert.... meaning Latin wasn't taught at my school

N'ah, my dad did Latin at his state grammar school. He most certainly was not middle class, he was just bright. He certainly didn't have a name like rupurt.

bugslet

PasturesNew wrote: »

One doesn't though, does one.... unless one has a horse, goes skiing in the holidays and one's classmates are called Tristan and Rupert

I had a second hand bike, never had a horse, nor been skiing, never met anybody called Rupert.... meaning Latin wasn't taught at my school

My Dad was a truck driver, my Mum was a homeworker and housewife and we were very poor. I've never been on a horse, never been ski-ing and no Ruperts, though that may have been because it was a girls school:). And I did Latin.

neverdespairgirl

PasturesNew wrote: »

Not heard of most of those. Not 100% sure when to use NB and when to use IE. I use IE all the time.

ie means - specifically this one.

NB means - note this well, take specific note of this - nota bene

neverdespairgirl

PasturesNew wrote: »

One doesn't though, does one.... unless one has a horse, goes skiing in the holidays and one's classmates are called Tristan and Rupert

I had a second hand bike, never had a horse, nor been skiing, never met anybody called Rupert.... meaning Latin wasn't taught at my school

I did, and my sisters and brother all did Latin. I had no classmates called Rupert or Tristan, but as it was an all girls' school, that's not terribly surprising. The boys at the associated school were called things such as Mark, James, Matthew, David, Thomas, Augustus (possibly in the Rupert catagory, I'm not sure) Oliver and John. I never had a horse, nor did my brother, but my sisters did. We never went to ski at all, because my Dad didn't want to break bones and be unable to work, and was fairly convinced that leg-breaking was nearly inevitable.

My mother did Latin to O level, and was at a grant maintained school, which was I think somewhere between private and state, not one or the other. My Dad didn't do it, because his grammar school thought it was old hat and did modern languages instead, so he had to cram from nought to O level in a matter of 10 weeks in order to go for Oxford entry - at the time, O level Latin was required whatever subject you wanted to study there (end of the 1960s).

lostinrates

Laugh or cry?

My new blister packaged pills have arrived and the pills they haven't messed with have been changed to a non slow release formula. I don't really mind, but it means I have to go through another transition. Having spent most of summer building up on to these suckers I feel a bit grim about swapping onto a cheaper version and transitioning biochemically again. I find dealing with drug changes a surprising bore. . At least they are smaller!

CKhalvashi

lostinrates wrote: »

Etcetera
Bonafide
Interalia
Ipsofacto
Et al
As hominem
Pro rata!


Ad infinatum......:D

The only Latin I can remember is 'Caecilius est in horto'

neverdespairgirl

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The only Latin I can remember is 'Caecilius est in horto'

Does that come in useful often?

zagubov

lostinrates wrote: »

Tell you more about equine colour genetics?

Ok.....the easiest thing to do might be to link to a colour genetics calculator

http://www.horsetesting.com/ccalculator1.asp


There are colours in the options you will probably have heard of....like palomino, bay or black. There are others you might have heard of might might not have, like cremello and then there are ones you might recognise if you saw but we call something different here like sorrel (we call it chestnut) or the Duns.....which we name differently as duns. (E.f. I don't think you'd find mouse dun as an option, but its one of the established dun colour choices here) and then there is buckskin, a colour which we never really acknowledged..

(Grey isn't an option because grey is expressed over another colour....white horses are commonly thought not to exist, but thats not quite true either, they do, but aren't really a good think, there is a lethal white gene linked to a colon disease where the foals are born white and healthy and die pretty quickly but many white horses are simply naturally miscarried.

Then....there are all the things we are learning about coats...silver expressions, dilutes and double dilutes.

For example. Old horse was simply classed and pass ported as 'brown'. Now I wonder if she had been gene tested if she might not have been ' smokey black'. https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=672&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=RT76UcfgCIiA0AWdgoHYCw&q=smokey+black+horse&btnG=Search

The result would still have been that she was 'brown' of course.

Special girl was black. I wanted a black or grey foal from her and it was easy to arrange. I now wish I had tried for a Grullo, which is a stunning colour....I'd really like a Grullo......but they don't really come in the 'make' of horse I like. The problem is the type of horse I want to work with is a bit like a ford...comes in any colour as long as its....well, not black in this case but...with a greyish gene. Not keen on greys now, as they are harder work as they get older and now I am older and more broken easy sounds good. I love the Duns, and the grullos, and the liver chestnuts with a silver dilution, (that's probably my fav but don't know what its called in American/ scientific...I might know really but cannot find it in my head today!) . Then there is an Icelandic colour called 'Gra' which is a soft rabbit ish grey, that's nice too. And the rich deep palominos (I've never had a palomino)

Whoosh! Im glad Mendel started studying genetics using pea plants, not horses. He'd have given up staright away! Animal coat colours have very complex gene systems with some traits being temprature-sensitive and other colour arrangements being caused by one pair of genes with competing versions that interact in a very complex "dominance hierarchy" (himalayan chinchilla albino etc.). Some traits like roan are blends (at least in cattle they are) that are genetically unstable as well, so if both parents are roan only half the offspring will be.

I get the students to grow white/albino plants. Now that's a lethal trait, you don't even see it in nature!

The colours we acknowledge vary between cultures. I don't think the Romans bothered with a word for gray and used blue instead. Some cultures don't differentiaite blue from green (Choctaw). There's even a culture somewhere that recognises three colours or rather they only use three colour terms.

LydiaJ wrote: »

A single sickle cell gene gives you protection against malaria, IIRC.

A single cystic fibrosis gene protects against cholera and fatal diarrhoeas. There used to be a saying in Europe that if you kissed somebody and they tasted salty they would die young.

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

That is increasingly true now, isn't it? With English rather than Latin, though.

Yep it's the new lingua franca to use the latin for it.:)