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Nice people thread part 8 - worth the wait
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Posh alert!!!lostinrates wrote: »
The friend of dh's who visited recently and DH talk in Latin together sometimes. Sounds very odd, because they speak it so differently.0 -
How does that work then? I thought Latin was no language of a country .... and a first language would be: the main/everyday language one was brought up speaking and/or the language you usually speak on a day-to-day basis now.lostinrates wrote: »...speaks 'modern Latin' as a first language...
How does he order fish, chips and mushy peas at the local chippy???0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »How does that work then? I thought Latin was no language of a country .... and a first language would be: the main/everyday language one was brought up speaking and/or the language you usually speak on a day-to-day basis now.
How does he order fish, chips and mushy peas at the local chippy???
Sorry pn, it was a bad joke, DH of course speaks Italian. Its not 'modern Latin' really, in that its a different language and more than one language clearly descends from Latin. E.g. DH can't speak and has never studied Spanish, but he can understand pretty decently, give or take a few false friends and words of different origin, the gist of a conversation in Spanish.
In the local chippy he orders in the language of where the chippy is! Obviously!0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »We hear Latin?
I've never heard Latin.
Etcetera
Bonafide
Interalia
Ipsofacto
Et al
As hominem
Pro rata!
Ad infinatum......:D0 -
5th century Roman-occupied Britain:PasturesNew wrote: »How does that work then? I thought Latin was no language of a country .... and a first language would be: the main/everyday language one was brought up speaking and/or the language you usually speak on a day-to-day basis now.
How does he order fish, chips and mushy peas at the local chippy???
"Slave, let me practise my English on you; get thee hence to the local chipmonger. Ask for a scampo, yes a whole one, I've got an appetite on me, or better still a cod thing that the locals feed to their cats.
On your way, discover potatoes then ask them to chip them and fry'em. Offer to trample the peas with your sandals.
Here's 10 denarii. If there's change buy a house
And be quick about it, the horizon's full of vandals and goths and we're nowhere near any big cities or Whitby.":eek:
Told you it was an easy language.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
I want to be on whatever Zag's on!
I have a distant memory of goose flapping about on a roof and a lot of military type passages to translate.
Can't say I've ever found it useful, the little I know, when I've been lost in Brentwood or Aberdeen.;)0 -
There was an article about that, and the rather useful way they had of preventing it being a problem. It's a about fattly material building up in the brain and it's catastrophic.
An Ashkenazi community in the US set up an arrangement where before you start dating you get tested and leave the results with a community leader (usually a rabbi I think). Once you start dating (I think it's within a week) you send permission for the rabbi to check the results and they reply confidentially to both of you that it;'s OK (ie implying only one of you is a carrier but nobody's saying who, or neither of you is) or a bad idea (you're both carriers).
The couple can then break off the relationship before becoming too committed and can do so without revealing there's a genetic problem in their families.
Carriers are meant to be more resistant to TB which if you were forced to live in a ghetto, would have had enormous survival value. 100 years ago TB was one of the top three killers in the world.
Clever strategy. But then the Jewish community is often very good at devising clever strategies for things. I remember seeing a documentary years ago about problems within the Muslim community with people passing of haram meat as halal, and they commented that this would never happen with kosher meat because the system for certifying it was so well organised. (No idea how accurate the documentary was, I'm afraid.)
A lot of nasty recessive genes have survived because of conferring some kind of advantage to carriers. A single sickle cell gene gives you protection against malaria, IIRC.neverdespairgirl wrote: »Sounds as if they are frustrated Authorised Bible writers, as "begat a child" sounds very Biblical.
I think it was the normal way of describing it in the 16th century, wasn't it?neverdespairgirl wrote: »We do in my family sometimes, but only in a p1ss taking way. (Begetting, not Latin-ising).
You do begetting in a p1ss taking way???? :eek::eek::eek::eek:Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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Yeslostinrates wrote: »Etcetera
Bonafide
Interalia
Ipsofacto
Et al
As hominem
Pro rata!
Ad infinatum......:D
Yes
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pfft. Still some I don't know/use. I only know "et al" because I used to type scientific papers and they said "et al" for the authors.... so I know that means "and all the others".0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »Well, I made that bit up.... but there is a lot of "backwards/confusing" writing going on.
I am an advocate of "VERY plain English" and most of my writing is me re-writing complex things for simpletons (aka: at a level I understand).
I am too; I think it's essential to write things in the clearest, plainest way possible. That doesn't mean a limited vocabulary or over-simplified sentence structure, though. I think it means using language which is precise and concise, and without unnecessary extra added verbiage.PasturesNew wrote: »How does that work then? I thought Latin was no language of a country .... and a first language would be: the main/everyday language one was brought up speaking and/or the language you usually speak on a day-to-day basis now.
How does he order fish, chips and mushy peas at the local chippy???
You can hear Latin reguarly in church music, that kind of thing - sung, rather than spoken, usually.
If you learn Latin at school, you learn Classical Latin normally - high days of the Roman Empire Latin. Classical Latin was what was mostly written down, and it seems as if there were colloquial and dialect forms common in speech but not written down much.
If you then look at stuff written in the Middle Ages in Latin (before about 1430 to 1450), that's harder to understand - it was then a spoken langugage, both in the Catholic CHurch and extensively used in international and diplomatic communications. IIRC, Arthur, son of Henry VIII, and Katherine of Aragon communicated initially in Latin, before Katherine leaned English once she came here, aged about 15.
Elizabeth I, who seems to have been one of the most impressive of the small group of incredibly clever, highly educated Tudor women, spoke and wrote many languages fluently, including French, Latin, Italian, Welsh, Cornish, Irish and Scottish Gaelic, Spanish, classical Greek, and Hebrew.
During the 15th century, people got upset about the changes in medieval Latin, and the form became more classical again, due partly to increased knowledge of classical Latin writings.
I think the Vatican - as in the Holy See, rather than the State - still uses Latin a lot....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »Yes
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pfft. Still some I don't know/use. I only know "et al" because I used to type scientific papers and they said "et al" for the authors.... so I know that means "and all the others".
Lots more you would know, though:
lingua franca
QED
q.v.
regina
rex
deo gratias
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NB...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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