BNP at University of Bath

Idiophreak

Personally, I don't have much knowledge of the BNP, so I, for one, would be interested to attend one of these things and hear what they have to say for myself, rather than paying attention to chinese whispers and tabloid papers.

That having been said, I'll go on a minor ill-advised/ill-informed rant in any case...

Sadly, for the lefties among us, they're going to have to start paying a little more respect to the BNP and the like. A large number of people in this country are growing tired of the overpopulation, soft justice and crazy benefits 10 years of liberal government has caused and are looking for answers.

None of the "big three" parties offer anything like a proper right wing position, so these people are forced to look further right and end up in and around the BNP.

That being the case, the days are drawing to a close when they could be dismissed as "racist nutters"...It seems for many normal people now, the BNP represents the party that has policies most closely aligned with their views.

tr3mor

Idiophreak wrote: »

Sadly, for the lefties among us, they're going to have to start paying a little more respect to the BNP and the like. A large number of people in this country are growing tired of the overpopulation, soft justice and crazy benefits 50 years of liberal government has caused and are looking for answers.

You made a mistake!

shaz77_2

The problem with the BNP is that many decent people in the UK have genuine concerns regarding the issues of immigration and how poorly it has been policed by the current government.

The BNP have hijacked these concerns and have put forward a twisted and perverse ideology that 99.99% of the UK citizens would disagree with.

If mainstream political parties would address the issue of immigration is a sensible manner then the BNP would become history. However unfortunetly when someone mentions controlled immigration they are called a racist so I believe as a society we are not mature enough to have this discussion. Therefore as long as our immaturity prevails so will elements such as the BNP.

Blacksheep1979

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Of course people should be left to make their own views and decisions, it just happens to be that those with the most distateful thoughts can often be the most persuasive as they tap into people's secret fears.

Exactly, and if they are left to prey on people individually or on street corners they can play on peoples fears. However if they are allowed to speak in a large forum with others countering their views, then people may see their fears are unfounded and there are other options.

icefall

Idiophreak wrote: »

Personally, I don't have much knowledge of the BNP, so I, for one, would be interested to attend one of these things and hear what they have to say for myself, rather than paying attention to chinese whispers and tabloid papers.

That having been said, I'll go on a minor ill-advised/ill-informed rant in any case...

Sadly, for the lefties among us, they're going to have to start paying a little more respect to the BNP and the like. A large number of people in this country are growing tired of the overpopulation, soft justice and crazy benefits 10 years of liberal government has caused and are looking for answers.

None of the "big three" parties offer anything like a proper right wing position, so these people are forced to look further right and end up in and around the BNP.

That being the case, the days are drawing to a close when they could be dismissed as "racist nutters"...It seems for many normal people now, the BNP represents the party that has policies most closely aligned with their views.

I suggest you take a look at the BNP Wikipedia for some indepth knowledge, or maybe not if you have a weak stomach like me.

The violence and criminal behaviour section is illuminating too.

The Facism and the BNP section gives lots of info on the all sorts of Hitler sympathising etc violent organisations linked with the BNP.

I just hope no one is suggesting that Hitler being given a forum to spread hate is a good thing, does anyone remember the result of that...

I bow out of this thread now, as having just checked the BNP entry myself I feel totally disgusted at the abhorrently violent and harmful deeds done by sympathisers with this party.

I do not wish to give any more air time to them personally.

ManAtHome

icefall wrote: »

I just hope no one is suggesting that Hitler being given a forum to spread hate is a good thing, does anyone remember the result of that...

Hitler was suppressed by the German government at the time and jailed for organising a march/coup against the Weimar Republic. Maybe things would have turned out differently if there had been open debate...

As I've said previously, driving things underground often gives them more power in the end.

Blacksheep1979

ManAtHome wrote: »

As I've said previously, driving things underground often gives them more power in the end.

or gives them hardcore die hard fanatics who will do anything for the 'cause'

tr3mor

icefall wrote: »

I suggest you take a look at the BNP Wikipedia for some indepth knowledge, or maybe not if you have a weak stomach like me.

The violence and criminal behaviour section is illuminating too.

The Facism and the BNP section gives lots of info on the all sorts of Hitler sympathising etc violent organisations linked with the BNP.

Wikipedia really doesn't give very balanced arguments on things. I'd imagine most of the contributors to the BNP entry would have their own unsavoury motivations.

icefall wrote: »

I just hope no one is suggesting that Hitler being given a forum to spread hate is a good thing, does anyone remember the result of that...

If you consider any fringe party you can draw comparisons with the past. How about we compare the communist party to Stalin?

icefall wrote: »

I bow out of this thread now, as having just checked the BNP entry myself I feel totally disgusted at the abhorrently violent and harmful deeds done by sympathisers with this party.

I do not wish to give any more air time to them personally.

Maybe you should look at the Wikipedia entries about Respect or the SWP too. :rolleyes:

All of these extremists have shocking views, but what is truly abhorrent is the bias nature in which students' unions discriminate between them!

Blacksheep1979

tr3mor wrote: »

Wikipedia really doesn't give very balanced arguments on things. I'd imagine most of the contributors to the BNP entry would have their own unsavoury motivations.

damn you beat me to it

trinidadone

hey, BNP, is that the black national party, where do i sign up (smile)