Are the Jobcentre on Strike 20/3/2013

nannytone_2

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

What's a "lunch break"?

something that the security guards got ... they werent employed by the civil service but contracted out. so they got breaks as part of their terms and conditions

antonic

So you base your views on your knowledge of one person.

Its good to see that your not into making sweeping generalisations on such a small sample.

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Welcome to the real world.

As I have posted a few times before, my mother worked for the civil service and they all knew that when Labour got to power, that they would be overstaffed in the state sector. Then when the Conservatives got back in, they knew all those extra created jobs would be gone and they would have to work harder again (still ending work at 5pm though).

Labour had been in power for so long that many state workers might not have even known what it is like to work for the state under another government. All the "more work for in real terms less money" they feel they are now being unfairly asked to do, its just the norm under a non Labour government.

This is why many private firms will not hire ex state workers, as many of these have an unrealistic idea of what 'hard work' is. Many of those "760,000" state workers may find that they are virtually unemployable. I don't know anyone in the private sector who works less than 50 hours a week.

I know someone who wanted to work less hours so she got a job as a full time state worker in a JSA centre, 5 years ago. She was given tea breaks in the morning and afternoon; a full hour for lunch away from her desk and even more astounding is that the books are always locked up in the safe by 4.30pm - just so the staff can be walking out the door at 5pm! The taxpayer is not getting good value for money.

MissMoneypenny

antonic wrote: »

So you base your views on your knowledge of one person.

I mentioned more than "one person" in my post. I assume you're employed by the state?:D

ab.da54

helentay wrote: »

It isn't England, Ireland, Wales or even Scotland, it is nothing more than a dumping ground for the misfits from the old Soviet block countries + the Middle East and parts of Africa where civil wars are a way of life.

Do you think your thoughts may be skewed as you were raised by older parents/s?

The grass isn't always greener.

SnooksNJ

scootw1 wrote: »

Everybody has taken a hit (excpet for the very rich I suppose) but we just get on with it. Would the jobcentre rather be out of work? That would be the situation if the Government caved in as they could not afford to keep all the staff on. As for civil servants taking on more work over the last few years, a lot of other people have as well across the public sector but we don't moan about it we just get on with it. What makes civil servants so special?

Have you had the terms and conditions of your hiring contract changed without any compensation? I work in the private sector and I would certainly moan if that happened to me.

SnooksNJ

helentay wrote: »

guilds wrote: »

What happens if I don't care who is in power or have no opinion either way? Do I just go to the Polling Station and spoil my voting paper to satisfy you?

As for education, to be honest given the quality of it today, it is a complete waste of time and money! Especially when you have 16 year olds leaving school who don't have a clue about basic maths or how to communicate using the written word, mind you if you can understand text communications I suppose that is OK!

Given my time again I would have got out of this country 20 years ago when I was in my teens and given up my British Passport!!
This isn't the country that my dad fought for in the last world war. It isn't England, Ireland, Wales or even Scotland, it is nothing more than a dumping ground for the misfits from the old Soviet block countries + the Middle East and parts of Africa where civil wars are a way of life.

What my grandfather who was wounded in the first World War would have made of it all I dread to think!

So don't start quoting what people died for to me, they died and fought for a different Britain than what it has become.

I'm an immigrant and the last civil war in the country of my birth ended in 1865 so no I'm not used to it.

antonic

A further half day strike from 1pm on 5th April has been announced by PCS today.

shedboy94

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Welcome to the real world.

As I have posted a few times before, my mother worked for the civil service and they all knew that when Labour got to power, that they would be overstaffed in the state sector. Then when the Conservatives got back in, they knew all those extra created jobs would be gone and they would have to work harder again (still ending work at 5pm though).

Labour had been in power for so long that many state workers might not have even known what it is like to work for the state under another government. All the "more work for in real terms less money" they feel they are now being unfairly asked to do, its just the norm under a non Labour government.

This is why many private firms will not hire ex state workers, as many of these have an unrealistic idea of what 'hard work' is. Many of those "760,000" state workers may find that they are virtually unemployable. I don't know anyone in the private sector who works less than 50 hours a week.

I know someone who wanted to work less hours so she got a job as a full time state worker in a JSA centre, 5 years ago. She was given tea breaks in the morning and afternoon; a full hour for lunch away from her desk and even more astounding is that the books are always locked up in the safe by 4.30pm - just so the staff can be walking out the door at 5pm! The taxpayer is not getting good value for money.

What a load of nonsense. For a start, all my friends and family work in the private sector and none of them work over 40hpw.

Staff may get an hours lunch.....but they are not paid for the hour.

The vast majority of staff will not finish bang on time - the thousands who work in the call centres will not terminate a call at finish time, they will carry on until the call ends.

I don't understand the "taxpayer is not getting good value for money" remark. First of all, the people you are generalising about ARE taxpayers, they often work more hours than they are paid for, and the fact that the "taxpayer" hasn't given them a pay-rise for years, means that they are effectively in real terms providing their services for less money than they previously were.

If the public sector is such a great place to work, then why doesn't everyone apply to work in it?

nannytone_2

in the private sector, it is normal to be paid overtime for any hours in addition to contracted hours.
my daughter was working her contracted hours of 37 per week, but over 4 days.
due to cuts in staff, she was also working most wedbesdays ( the day that she didnt work)
none of these hours was paid. she was supposed to get it back as 'flexi' time, but because of the lack of staff, there was never any time that she could take it.
in 6 months, she built up 'owed' tome of 150 hours.
you could say that she should have refused, but is is a team player, and sait her 'team' needed her to be able to cope.
if you assume that this is what is happening in every job centre across the country, then the you need to ask exactly where the wastage is occuring.
must be higher up the chain of command .....

princessdon

nannytone wrote: »

in the private sector, it is normal to be paid overtime for any hours in addition to contracted hours.
my daughter was working her contracted hours of 37 per week, but over 4 days.
due to cuts in staff, she was also working most wedbesdays ( the day that she didnt work)
none of these hours was paid. she was supposed to get it back as 'flexi' time, but because of the lack of staff, there was never any time that she could take it.
in 6 months, she built up 'owed' tome of 150 hours.
you could say that she should have refused, but is is a team player, and sait her 'team' needed her to be able to cope.
if you assume that this is what is happening in every job centre across the country, then the you need to ask exactly where the wastage is occuring.
must be higher up the chain of command .....

I find it more common in public sector for flexi and overtime. I get it (can't take it) but get it, hubby works an average of 80 hours a week for 37 hrs pay, would be laughed out of the office if mentioned flexi. You just work, don't count hours etc. that includes weekends and annual leave at times.

The fact there is a flexi scheme shows that it isn't the norm or expected to work more hours.