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Does this suggest the tide is turning on immigration ?
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No doubt Moby will be along shortly to call me a racist for thinking such a thing.
I'm not calling you as a person a 'racist'. How would I know? ...but you concentrate on national identity as being the issue. Its that that's dangerous. I work in criminal justice and can tell you now when we break down statistics we drill down far more deeply than this! Your arguments are simplistic and pander to bigotry and you seem to want to make political capital from discrimination based on ethnicity. Its exactly what UKIP do. They build support by appealing to the bigotry inside all of us....xenophobia etc. What do they actually say that is uplifting or positive I ask?0 -
I'm not calling you as a person a 'racist'.
Really? Could have fooled me with the amount of cheap shots you and other posters have taken every time anybody has the audacity to mention any of the negative effects of open borders - of which there are many.How would I know? ...
Exactly what I have been wondering - and a point that I have made in the past when comments have been directed at me - from people who know nothing about me.but you concentrate on national identity as being the issue.
I most certainly do not........feel free to show me where.
Your argument has now become so weak and ridiculous that you are trying to rescue it by quoting your credentials.I work in criminal justice
Here comes the bigot word again. You can say you are not calling me as an individual a "bigot" but it's certainly directed my way. As for my arguments being simplistic......I never tried anywhere in this thread to say something revolutionary - I simply pointed out that everything wasn't as it seems in an episode of QT, which turned out to be correct. As for the Met Police stats about the amount of Romanian arrests, if there are 27,000 arrests over 5 years and only a population of 68,000, you don't really need to know an awful lot more to realise there is an issue there, and one which will become more of an issue after Jan 2014. When Bob pointed out that Glynn was incorrect in saying that 30% of Romanians have been found Guilty of crimes, he is right but being pernickety, and the pointless arguments over technicalities that follow were pointless and move away from the point, which was correct in that there is a high proportion of Romanians involved in crime. Don't blame me for this, and stop calling people bigots and racists for mentioning it - these are the figures released by the met compared against the population and it doesn't look good.Your arguments are simplistic and pander to bigotryand you seem to want to make political capital from discrimination based on ethnicity.
This statement, once again - infers that anyone who questions issues surrounding open border immigration has racist tendencies. Well done - nicely worded.0 -
....... I simply pointed out that everything wasn't as it seems in an episode of QT, which turned out to be correct. .
What was correct was that Amy Rutland was a party activist like many other activists that appear on QT from time to time.
This does not detract from the assertions that she made about the UKIP leaflet which was the real issue that UKIP supporters were annoyed about.Next year the EU will allow 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
The link below shows the relevant part of the programme and shows the UKIP leaflet.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2013/03/question-time-audience-member-slams-ukip-on-immigration-stats/Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
What was correct was that Amy Rutland was a party activist like many other activists that appear on QT from time to time.
Oh right. Cheers for that Bob. I think I did mention that before - so I was correct then?This does not detract from the assertions that she made about the UKIP leaflet which was the real issue that UKIP supporters were annoyed about.
Huh?Next year the EU will allow 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
That is actually true, albeit worded in a way to create impact and make you want to read more.
That's the point of headlines isn't it? To capture the readers attention? The Labs/Libs/Cons have told bigger lies than that - do you want to claim otherwise?The link below shows the relevant part of the programme and shows the UKIP leaflet.
Yes, and of course political scrapbook reports accurately and without bias does it?
http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/26928/blogger-profile-political-scrapbook.thtmlWhat is the purpose of your blog?
Political Scrapbook posts run on a spectrum from tittle-tattle at one end to more solid muckraking at the other. Blogging is great fun anyway but I would say our contributors are ultimately driven to make life difficult for the right.
So no bias there then.
Can't quite figure you out Bob. Earlier in this thread you told me itis important to report stats accurately. And the you post a link to utter tripe like political scrap book.
One rule for you and another for me?0 -
Yes, and of course political scrapbook reports accurately and without bias does it?
http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/26928/blogger-profile-political-scrapbook.thtml
Can't quite figure you out Bob. Earlier in this thread you told me itis important to report stats accurately. And the you post a link to utter tripe like political scrap book.
One rule for you and another for me?
Ha! I can accept that is the purpose of "political scrapbook" and that it is very biased. I never said otherwise and made no comment on any statistics on the site.
All I referred to were the video extract of the BBC broadcast programme and the UKIP leaflet, neither of which you appear to dispute are authentic.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Ha! I can accept that is the purpose of "political scrapbook" and that it is very biased. I never said otherwise and made no comment on any statistics on the site.
All I referred to were the video extract of the BBC broadcast programme and the UKIP leaflet, neither of which you appear to dispute are authentic.
The leaflet is correct though.
They will allow them to come. How many take up the chance nobody knows.
I do find it strange that none of the three main parties will even hazard a guess. Perhaps it is because they don't want to be truthful or they are :eek:"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »The leaflet is correct though.
They will allow them to come. How many take up the chance nobody knows.
I do find it strange that none of the three main parties will even hazard a guess. Perhaps it is because they don't want to be truthful or they are :eek:
Yes its strictly correct but Romania and Bulgaria would have a zero population if they did.
I agree that nobody has made a guess at how many will actually leave those countries and how many of them will come here rather than other EU nations. But it does play into the UKIP agenda that they do not.
The following suggests that Government does not want to publish official forecasts in case they are wrong Migration Watch say 250, 000 by 2019.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9904804/MPs-launch-inquiry-into-immigration-from-Bulgaria-and-Romania.htmlFew people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
The following suggests that Government does not want to publish official forecasts in case they are wrong Migration Watch say 250, 000 by 2019.
Whilst I think Labour screwed up on this last time round it does bug me that they are vilified for getting their projections wrong by the other parties yet they won't man up with confidence this time round."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Whilst I think Labour screwed up on this last time round it does bug me that they are vilified for getting their projections wrong by the other parties yet they won't man up with confidence this time round.
They are vilified because this wasn't just some simple error of judgement, it was a deliberate ploy to flood the country with a massive influx of poles and that is exactly what they got to go along with uncontrolled immigration from the rest of the world0
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